“We should elect the president the way we elect governors, senators, mayors, represen

[Althea]

So it's better for the minority to oppress the majority? That's how we lost Roe.

Correct. A system that was set up to avoid rule by the majority has become rule by minority.

 

[Althea]

The idea of people living their entire lives out where they were born is over. State boundaries are meaningless.

Hmmm...there are thousands of women who disagree right now.

 

[BidenPresident]

Hmmm...there are thousands of women who disagree right now.

ok

 

[Callinectes]

We are a democracy, which means rule by the people. No nation on earth has ever even aspired to be a pure democracy. False problem.

People's Democratic Republic of Algeria
Congo, Democratic Republic of the
East Timor – Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste
Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia
Korea, North – Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Laos – Lao People's Democratic Republic
Nepal – Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal
São Tomé and Príncipe – Democratic Republic of São Tomé and Príncipe
Sri Lanka – Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka
Notice a trend?

 

[BidenPresident]

People's Democratic Republic of Algeria
Congo, Democratic Republic of the
East Timor – Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste
Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia
Korea, North – Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Laos – Lao People's Democratic Republic
Nepal – Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal
São Tomé and Príncipe – Democratic Republic of São Tomé and Príncipe
Sri Lanka – Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka
Notice a trend?

You are writing words.

 

[Flash]

Ergo, a popular vote would allow ten states to dominate the other forty. Tyranny of the majority.

Think this through: California as the most people but not more people than Texas & Florida.

Besides, do you really think the 3/4s of the US states would ratify an amendment to eliminate the EC?

Agreed. My point was that an electoral vote win with only12 states is still a majority of the population. The poster I was responding to seemed to be saying winning with 12 states would not be fair because it is such a small number.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Agreed. My point was that an electoral vote win with only12 states is still a majority of the population. The poster I was responding to seemed to be saying winning with 12 states would not be fair because it is such a small number.

Regardless it's the present system and unlikely to be changed without 3/4s of the states agreeing to it.

 

[BartenderElite]

That's just a sophomoric dodge. If Americans in rural areas don't count for all intents, they aren't being represented. If a president is only beholden to those in dense urban areas, the rest don't count. It isn't just the states that get screwed, it's people living in low density rural areas as well. You are arguing that those who count live in high rise apartments in places like NYC and those that live in somewhere like Podunk Idaho don't.

Hmmmmm....are you sure those people aren't "represented?" The Senate actually gives disproportionate representation to those in less populated states.

And then the electoral college one-ups that. People in rural states have MORE of a voice in our politics than the cities and urban areas.

It's time to right this wrong. The electoral college is kind of a joke.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Probably for the same reason that states who have 5 times the population of states with more cows than humans, get the same two votes in the Senate.

You are advocating for rule by minority, which is no better than rule by majority. Maybe worse

If we go by that Wisconsin and Idaho outranks all states but California.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles...tes With Most Milk Cows , 626 6 more rows

 

[Flash]

So it's better for the minority to oppress the majority? That's how we lost Roe.

Constitutional issues are not based on public opinion. Was Roe originally supported by the majority?

 

[LurchAddams]

Or, radical Leftists like Obama or Biden...

Under whom we had 8 years of peace and prosperity each. Under Clinton we actually balanced the budget and created a surplus which Bush quickly squandered on two never-ending wars.

 

[LurchAddams]

Correct. A system that was set up to avoid rule by the majority has become rule by minority.

Hey, man. Glad to see you posting. How are you doing in that weather? Aren't you in the thick of it?

 

[Flash]

Winston Churchill once famously said that democracy was ‘the worst form of government.’
Shoot the wolf in the head.

Churchill's entire quote:

"No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’"

 

[LurchAddams]

Constitutional issues are not based on public opinion. Was Roe originally supported by the majority?

Not sure what you're asking, but close to 70% of voters want abortion to be legal.

 

[Flash]

Not sure what you're asking, but close to 70% of voters want abortion to be legal.

My point is that court decisions are based on the law or Constitution and not what the majority favors.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Under whom we had 8 years of peace and prosperity each. Under Clinton we actually balanced the budget and created a surplus which Bush quickly squandered on two never-ending wars.

Hardly. Obama continued numerous quasi-wars in the middle East and became infamous for his use of cruise missiles on "terrorist" targets. Clinton had Kosovo and then the debacle in Somalia (aka Blackhawk Down), as well as being infamous for "drive-by" cruise missile attacks on various targets.

As for balancing the budget, that was a combination of a Republican congress and a major drawdown due to the collapse of the Soviet Union and end of the Cold War by Reagan. Clinton was savvy enough to go along rather than move the money saved into new spending. His going along with Republican led reductions in endless welfare programs (eg., work-fare) also helped.

You really have no understanding of history...

 

[BartenderElite]

Hardly. Obama continued numerous quasi-wars in the middle East and became infamous for his use of cruise missiles on "terrorist" targets. Clinton had Kosovo and then the debacle in Somalia (aka Blackhawk Down), as well as being infamous for "drive-by" cruise missile attacks on various targets.

As for balancing the budget, that was a combination of a Republican congress and a major drawdown due to the collapse of the Soviet Union and end of the Cold War by Reagan. Clinton was savvy enough to go along rather than move the money saved into new spending. His going along with Republican led reductions in endless welfare programs (eg., work-fare) also helped.

You really have no understanding of history...

That's always it - "Well, the Dem President did okay - because of REPUBLICANS."

Nah. The economic plan that Clinton passed early in his admin - which had very little GOP support, and was ridiculed by Republicans - laid the groundwork for the incredible prosperity that followed. The history is clear.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Because the President is President of all Americans. Not just the states.

he's the president of all Americans.....not just the ones who live in California and New York.....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

States don't vote. People do.

actually the electoral college allows two people to vote as the people in their states choose, in addition one for every 500k or so people......every single elector is chosen by the people's vote......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Because that would represent the will of the majority.

not the will of the people in a majority of states.......if you want to do things differently you will have to change the law.......the reason you haven't is because its not what people want......