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Dixie said:
The difference? In what? How you are throwing up straw men to support your ignorance and I am not? How I am totally pwning you in this debate, and you are totally being pwned? Hmm.. let's see... the difference between a chicken and an egg is the same as the difference between a human and the female egg... the difference between an oak tree and an acorn is like the difference between a human and his sperm. Eggs aren't "living" until fertilized, and acorns aren't "living" until they have germinated. The mouse thing is just a silly grasp for an explanation of your idiotic viewpoint.

If a woman and her son are on the ledge of the burning building, does it excuse her for murdering him if she calls him something else besides a person? Maybe we could use that "logic" for anyone who wants to commit murder... we just start calling murder victims "non-human" things that we can kill with a clear conscience! That should really thin out our prison population, and help us to rid society of undesirables. Why don't we just make the distinction that people who believe in abortion are brain-damaged advanced zygotes, who should have been culled before they were born and allowed to spew their insanity, and it's perfectly okay to rid society of this menace? As you said... we mature/evolve as a species we find it necessary to make distinctions.

What you can't construct a straw man or silly argument to refute, is the fact that a fetus or embryo is a human life. A living human being. It is no different than what you and I are, in fact, we ALL began the exact same way. IT is a HE or SHE, IT has distinct DNA, IT will continue to grow and develop until it's life is terminated or it dies naturally, but IT is a HUMAN LIFE!

Since you are into these 'visual' examples, let me present one for ya... Imagine yourself, standing all alone in the middle of a huge field, and as far as your eyes can see in every direction, there are bloody dead baby corpses! You have no idea how many, there must be millions... 47 million to be exact, and you enabled their death. They are all dead because you didn't have the moral clarity to admit what you were allowing. They are dead because you felt it "politically" important to stand up for a "woman's right" to choose, and they chose to kill them. All the while, as they were being killed, you stood by and watched, insisting the babies were something else, not babies... something non-human, something you could justify killing. I can only hope that your personal "hell" will be having to stand in that field and smell the rotting baby corpses for all of eternity. You deserve that!
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Easy does it, Dixie. You're getting yourself all worked up.

Long post but, as usual, no answer. Let's try one more time. If a woman is allowed to kill what you say is a human being (embryo/fetus) if it's existence poses a problem to her because of her defective body then is she allowed to push her 10 year old, 75 pound son off the balcony if his existence poses a threat to her life due to nothing more than the balcony not being able to support the weight of both people? Yes or No? If no, please explain the difference between allowing her to kill a fetus/embryo, which you claim is a child, but not a child whom everyone agrees is a child.
 
Dixie said:
This is where you are just plain biologically incorrect. We DO most certainly know a human zygote/embryo/fetus can't be any other kind of living organism besides human. It exists in a state of being, therefore, it can only rationally be called a "human being" because that defines what it is. You are in a state of denial, you refuse to accept this FACT that can't be refuted. In your mind, there is still some room for opinion or judgment, but biology is clear on what a human zygote/fetus/embryo is.

If the only way you can justify your viewpoint, is to deny reality, to deny biological facts, what does that tell you about your viewpoint? It tells me, it's wrong. It tells me,you have formed a viewpoint and are too bigoted in it to have an open mind or an intelligent discussion about it. You have not been able to adequately support any argument you've made in this thread, it is completely full of nothing but your opinion, based on a false perception of reality, and a misinterpretation of biology.
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A embryo/fetus is composed of human material which might develop into a human being just as an egg is composed of what may become a chicken but an embryo/fetus is no more a human being than an egg is a chicken. Why are you having difficulty grasping common sense?

If you have ever bought a dozen eggs directly from a farm chances are they are fertilized. I know. I had chickens for a year when I was young. (BTW, a rooster keeps the chickens happy.)

So, when I would sell a dozen eggs to a neighbor I sold a dozen eggs, not a dozen chickens. Not once did anyone refer to the dozen eggs as a dozen chickens.
 
apple0154 said:
If you have ever bought a dozen eggs directly from a farm chances are they are fertilized. I know. I had chickens for a year when I was young. (BTW, a rooster keeps the chickens happy.)

So, when I would sell a dozen eggs to a neighbor I sold a dozen eggs, not a dozen chickens. Not once did anyone refer to the dozen eggs as a dozen chickens.
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one of the steps involved in selling eggs was candling, where we would hold each egg up against a light to make sure an embryo had not started growing.....if you didn't take that step you weren't doing your customers any favors......

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if something was growing, it was a chicken, not an elephant.....
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
one of the steps involved in selling eggs was candling, where we would hold each egg up against a light to make sure an embryo had not started growing.....if you didn't take that step you weren't doing your customers any favors......

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7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
 
Yurt said:
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
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Is this the same all powerful god that would send that fetus to eternal merciless torture if it grew up to be a non-evangelical?
 
Beefy said:
Is this the same all powerful god that would send that fetus to eternal merciless torture if it grew up to be a non-evangelical?
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Why should you care, you don't believe so give it a rest. Your understanding of who the biblical God is is knee-jerk and sophmoric.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Why should you care, you don't believe so give it a rest. Your understanding of who the biblical God is is knee-jerk and sophmoric.
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I care because you "god" tortures people if they don't subscribe to a said religious belief system.

I noticed though, as per usual, you avoided the question.
 
apple0154 said:
A embryo/fetus is composed of human material which might develop into a human being just as an egg is composed of what may become a chicken but an embryo/fetus is no more a human being than an egg is a chicken. Why are you having difficulty grasping common sense?

If you have ever bought a dozen eggs directly from a farm chances are they are fertilized. I know. I had chickens for a year when I was young. (BTW, a rooster keeps the chickens happy.)

So, when I would sell a dozen eggs to a neighbor I sold a dozen eggs, not a dozen chickens. Not once did anyone refer to the dozen eggs as a dozen chickens.
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No, I am sorry, you are factually wrong, and wherever you got that information is incorrect. An embryo/fetus is a living organism, not "material" which has to develop into a living human organism. This goes beyond "common sense," it is biology. It doesn't matter how many erroneous examples of eggs or whatever you come up with, the facts are the facts. If we were talking about something as trivial as chickens and eggs, I might let you get away with the lie, but we are talking about a human being, and the fact that you fully understand the process of life as it pertains to eggs and chickens, tells me you understand a fetus and embryo are not simply "material" which has to develop into something.

Now apple, if you just want to continue repeating yourself, posting the same erroneous argument over and over, that's fine, I will continue to quote you and correct your lies. Until you can put up some evidence to support your claims, you have not made a point, and you know what? You won't make one, because the evidence you need doesn't exist. But we can just keep on repeating ourselves over and over again, from now until the end of time, if that's what you want to do. This won't ever be one of those things where the person who gets the last word in, wins the debate. The actual debate hasn't even begun yet, because we can't debate something that isn't debatable. Until you come to terms with the truth, and accept what abortion is, the intentional killing of a human life, then we are stuck at the gate. Once you accept the truth of what we are doing, then we can have a meaningful philosophical debate over when it is ethical to kill human beings.
 
Dixie's making a sport of contradicting himself. One has to believe it to be intentional because the alternative is unthinkable.
 
ib1yysguy said:
Dixie's making a sport of contradicting himself. One has to believe it to be intentional because the alternative is unthinkable.
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there's been no contradiction here....if you can't win an argument, don't pretend you don't have to, because you've won them in the past.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
there's been no contradiction here....if you can't win an argument, don't pretend you don't have to, because you've won them in the past.....
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Tell me if you can spot the contradiction:

Biological scientists, he'll tell you, aren't in the business of proving things to be facts. It cannot be done because science doesn't deal with proving "facts." He says this constantly whenever someone brings up evolutionary theory.

Here are his own words:

Dixie said:
Science has never determined a single thing as conclusive fact.

That's a fact!
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Then in this thread he goes on to continually repeat something he says is a biological (read: scientific) fact.

Dixie said:
This is where you are just plain biologically incorrect. We DO most certainly know a human zygote/embryo/fetus can't be any other kind of living organism besides human. It exists in a state of being, therefore, it can only rationally be called a "human being" because that defines what it is. You are in a state of denial, you refuse to accept this FACT that can't be refuted. In your mind, there is still some room for opinion or judgment, but biology is clear on what a human zygote/fetus/embryo is.

If the only way you can justify your viewpoint, is to deny reality, to deny biological facts, what does that tell you about your viewpoint? It tells me, it's wrong. It tells me,you have formed a viewpoint and are too bigoted in it to have an open mind or an intelligent discussion about it. You have not been able to adequately support any argument you've made in this thread, it is completely full of nothing but your opinion, based on a false perception of reality, and a misinterpretation of biology.
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Okay. Now get the hamsters running real hard and see if you can spot the contradiction. I'll give you as much time as you need.
 
ib1yysguy said:
Okay. Now get the hamsters running real hard and see if you can spot the contradiction. I'll give you as much time as you need.
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here, in this thread, in his comments about the unborn, there are no contradictions......games you want to play regarding his comments in other threads win you no arguments here and are a waste of our time.....I can see why you would be eager to crow about earlier victories, since you will have none here.......
 
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