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Onceler said:
Dixie, give it up. You have been hopelessly exposed on this.

We get it; of course there are such things as scientific facts when it is convenient for your argument, but clearly, there is NO WAY that anything can be proven as fact when it isn't convenient.
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Give it up Onzies, you have been totally PWNED in this discussion. No one expects you to understand the difference between Science and mankind, or how facts are derived from science. It's all way over your pinhead, and above your level of comprehension. In fact, you should just go spend your day at YouTube watching Jackass clips, that's about your level of understanding and comprehension.

IF I were some other pinhead on the left in this argument, I would be encouraging you to remove yourself from this thread, and go away. Not that you are going to destroy the possibility of a great argumentative point, but just because you reveal how utterly stupid the left can be at any given moment. It's got to be a little embarrassing to those on the left who have some level of intelligence, to have you parading around acting like a total retard.
 
Just as them claiming an embryo/fetus is a human being...
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Have to stop you again here apple... it's not a claim, it's a fact until you can offer us something to refute it. I'll ask you to tell us what kind of living organism is a human fetus, if not human? Or maybe you want to argue it's not alive, but then it wouldn't require termination, would it?

So before we go any further in the discussion, you need to present your evidence that a human fetus is not a human life form, or that it isn't living and in the state of being. Otherwise, we have to go with what science and biology tells us, that a fetus is indeed a human life.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
/boggle....and you deny you are blonde.....no, I said I expected the mother to make a particular decision.....and, ironically, in both scenarios, I said I expected the mother to try to sacrifice her life for her child.....in neither case did I say the law should accept her decision.....now how, from all that, did you come to the conclusion I said we should let the decision for abortion be made by the mom?.......
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You wrote, "the emotional decision....it's what makes mothers, mothers."

By that I assume you trust and have faith in a mother making the right decision. For example, if she has a child and becomes pregnant and knows she will be unable to adequately nurture another child she will make the right decision based on "nature" or a "woman's intuition".

In other words a mother's natural instinct will come into play. She will instinctively know and going by the number of abortions can all those mothers be wrong?

They know that even with today's technology and abundant wealth it is no guarantee the child will have a decent life. For God's sake, the richest country in the world doesn't even have a universal medical plan, something so basic to civilized people. Will she have the time and resources, the financial and emotional resources, required to bring a child into the world?

Unfortunately, it doesn't take a lot of skill and planning to become pregnant. It does, however, take maturity and empathy and understanding and all the qualities that, as you so succinctly phrased it, "what makes mothers, mothers" to decide if bringing a child into the world is the right decision.

If I was incorrect in my understanding of your previous post then I must conclude you do not believe mothers have any special qualities. I'm sorry you feel that way.

I'd be interested in knowing what your childhood was like should you feel comfortable sharing.
 
ib1yysguy said:
The idea that someone doesn't need to be consistent in their thinking from thread to thread is a weird arbitrary segmentation of thought that could ONLY come from a conservative. Yes, posters are liable to get their own words quoted back to them on this forum when they contradict themselves. Dixie does it more frequently than most because he's a schizo.
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I don't care if you find him inconsistent....I don't care if you criticize him for it....I'm just pointing out that you've still lost THIS argument, even if he's contradicted himself......
 
apple0154 said:
That's precisely why anti-abortionist's arguments are not taken seriously. Just as them claiming an embryo/fetus is a human being but having no problem supporting a woman with a defective body having the right to kill it.

It's like the "no stem cell research" regarding fertilized eggs. They prefer the "human beings" be flushed down the toilet rather than contribute to the benefit of all mankind.

How can there be any semblance of a coherent discussion?
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/shrugs....and this is why I think liberals are idiots....you can't come up with a single logical distinction between a fetus and an infant, you only try to distinguish between the two AFTER you decide you want to kill it, and you still think you are being logical.......
 
apple0154 said:
By that I assume you trust and have faith in a mother making the right decision.
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why?....what makes the "emotional" decision the right decision?.....

For example, if she has a child and becomes pregnant and knows she will be unable to adequately nurture another child she will make the right decision based on "nature" or a "woman's intuition".
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so if her intuition tells her to kill the child instead of putting it up for adoption, that's the "right" decision?....

In other words a mother's natural instinct will come into play. She will instinctively know and going by the number of abortions can all those mothers be wrong?
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every last one of them, yes.....

They know that even with today's technology and abundant wealth it is no guarantee the child will have a decent life. For God's sake, the richest country in the world doesn't even have a universal medical plan, something so basic to civilized people. Will she have the time and resources, the financial and emotional resources, required to bring a child into the world?
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well omigorsh....they won't have cradle to grave care from the government?.....kill the little bastards.....we really screwed up, we should have killed the other 300billion Americans by now.....

I'd be interested in knowing what your childhood was like should you feel comfortable sharing.
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it was horrid...../sigh....I was raised to believe that people who think like you are incredibly shallow.....forgive me, it's not my fault, it's my mothers......
 
I just have one question, that maybe Dixie or PP can answer:

If anti-choisers are so eager to save these "childrens" lives, why do so many end up in the foster care system?
 
LadyT said:
I just have one question, that maybe Dixie or PP can answer:

If anti-choisers are so eager to save these "childrens" lives, why do so many end up in the foster care system?
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Do you have actual stats on this or are you just puffing up your cheeks again? *shrug*
 
LadyT said:
I just have one question, that maybe Dixie or PP can answer:

If anti-choisers are so eager to save these "childrens" lives, why do so many end up in the foster care system?
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Why do we even have a foster care system? Seems to me, we should just allow any parent to terminate the life of an unwanted child. Why not, it's what we allow already, only we allow it before the child reaches a certain developmental stage. Why not just extend that developmental stage and make it okay to terminate unwanted children up to... oh, say, age of 3, that should do it! That would take care of most unwanted children, there may be a few who's parents die or something, but we could make exceptions for them, we could allow any minor child to be terminated if they were inconvenient to take care of, isn't that basically what we accept now?

For the record, I am not "anti-choice" at all! I think every woman should have the choice of whether to engage in unprotected sex or not! The thing is, I am also "pro-consequence." I believe your actions have consequences, and when you practice unsafe sex, one of the consequences could be a pregnancy. Congratulations, you just created a human life, and if that wasn't your intention, you should have avoided the action which resulted in that consequence, it's not that human beings fault you did what you did, and they shouldn't be made to pay the price for your decision. No one, woman or not, should have the right to shuck responsibility and make an innocent person pay for their mistakes with their life, we don't allow that "choice" in any other aspect of society. The only reason we allow it here, is because a contingent of people continue to remain in complete denial of the facts, and refuse to accept what is actually being done.
 
LadyT said:
I just have one question, that maybe Dixie or PP can answer:

If anti-choisers are so eager to save these "childrens" lives, why do so many end up in the foster care system?
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because the government take forever to release children for adoption.....you won't find an infant who's mother is willing to release it for adoption in any foster home for more than a month or so........you will find kids who were taken away from their parents who spend years in limbo while the courts give their drug addicted parents time to repair their broken lives....or who weren't taken away from their parents until they were ten or twelve or until they suffered lasting emotional trauma......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
because the government take forever to release children for adoption.....you won't find an infant who's mother is willing to release it for adoption in any foster home for more than a month or so........you will find kids who were taken away from their parents who spend years in limbo while the courts give their drug addicted parents time to repair their broken lives....or who weren't taken away from their parents until they were ten or twelve or until they suffered lasting emotional trauma......
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So infants are the only ones that can be adopted?
 
Dixie said:
Why do we even have a foster care system? Seems to me, we should just allow any parent to terminate the life of an unwanted child. Why not, it's what we allow already, only we allow it before the child reaches a certain developmental stage. Why not just extend that developmental stage and make it okay to terminate unwanted children up to... oh, say, age of 3, that should do it! That would take care of most unwanted children, there may be a few who's parents die or something, but we could make exceptions for them, we could allow any minor child to be terminated if they were inconvenient to take care of, isn't that basically what we accept now?

For the record, I am not "anti-choice" at all! I think every woman should have the choice of whether to engage in unprotected sex or not! The thing is, I am also "pro-consequence." I believe your actions have consequences, and when you practice unsafe sex, one of the consequences could be a pregnancy. Congratulations, you just created a human life, and if that wasn't your intention, you should have avoided the action which resulted in that consequence, it's not that human beings fault you did what you did, and they shouldn't be made to pay the price for your decision. No one, woman or not, should have the right to shuck responsibility and make an innocent person pay for their mistakes with their life, we don't allow that "choice" in any other aspect of society. The only reason we allow it here, is because a contingent of people continue to remain in complete denial of the facts, and refuse to accept what is actually being done.
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Translation:

Because most of us are self righteous hypocrites who like dictate morality and control other peoples lives but want NONE of the responsibility.


That's all you had to say Dixie.
 
logical fail that somehow the foster system is somehow connected to the abortion issue...as if the majority of foster kids are foster kids solely because they weren't aborted...is this really your point?
 
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