Was Global Warming responsible for the many deaths in freezing-snow packed Buffalo?

[Into the Night]

Not in this case. Your position is irrational. You literally support a position that goes against your own self interest. Like a MAGA.

MAGA isn't a person.
Fallacy fallacy. He made no paradox.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I give credit where credit is due.

One would hope so....

Do you wanna cookie?

 

[Diesel]

You seem to forget about nuclear power, developed by private industry; or hydroelectric power, developed by private industry; or coal, methane, or any source of cheap energy that is in use today.
Wind is the 2nd most expensive method of generating energy, watt for watt. It only exists because of socialism. Solar is the most expensive. It also only exists because of socialism. Neither of these forms of energy can compete in an open market.

Then what is your solution? I know you don't understand the science of the issue nor even simple concepts like pollution and fossil fuels, but they will run out one day. What's your plan then?

 

[Into the Night]

WRONGO. You didn't even understand that point did you?

He does. Better than YOU do!

We have waaay more than 12 years....but the problem is that maybe within those 12 years we will blow past so many "tipping points" (that we don't even realize at the time) that it effectively means that we won't be able to fix it after that.

Buzzword fallacy. There are no such things as 'tipping points' in either weather or climate. There is nothing to 'fix'.

We will still go along as normal and you denialists and "skeptics" will go on complaining about AGW while it steadily makes things much worse in about 50 to 100 years.

Make what worse??? Be specific.

That's the whole point of the "12 year" thing. You won't necessarily see much different (except more swings in the weather) at 12 years. But folks many decades later will be able to point to our time as being the time that we frittered away our last chances at fixing it.

Fixing what?

 

[Diesel]

One would hope so....

Do you wanna cookie?

Nah, I'm all good. I still have some Christmas cookies to finish.

 

[Into the Night]

you mean corrupted computer models, that use bogus metrics?
Been there /done that.
When AGW is blamed for the main reason forglobal warming -not increased solar activity -
can see the whole thing is bogus
Also the compute "modeling" is impossible to verify, since we dont even fully understand climate change


But if you want to believe it -fine by me -just dont try to sell me on renewables being able to replace fossil fuels .
It's a scam and it's impossible to construct that many solar panels/windmills/ compost heaps etc.

We do. Climate cannot change. There is no value associated with climate to 'change'. The Church of Global Warming has been trying to rebrand itself for some time now.
We also know that no gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth. This is in accordance with the 1st law of thermodynamics.

 

[AProudLefty]

Ask Into The Night about the ovens and thermometers. It's funny!

 

[BartenderElite]

Current mass extinction is at a rate that is over 100x faster than previous mass extinctions, according to a recent estimate.

Why do we insist on wearing blinders? It's maddening. It's become so political - we'll be down to humans and cockroaches and conservatives will still cite "cold days" and the Ice Age "scare" from the '70s.

 

[Into the Night]

Of course there is but not by a significant amount. You actually believe that suddenly (within the next 25 years) we'll all be able to drive solar power vehicles or convert all shipping back to wind power? You do realize we have the technology to power shipping with wind, don't you? It's called "sails".

And beautiful ships they were and are, too. In Washington, we have the Lady Washington, a brig that still sails the world over. She once appeared in the Pirates of the Caribbean movies as the HMS Interceptor. The Lady Washington was built in 1989 in Aberdeen, WA, where she still berths. Each season, the takes on a new crew to teach them how to sail these tall masted beauties.

Any? You have me confused with somebody else. I own and use a solar powered wristwatch.
Yet you invoke Trump in the same way. A sure sign of desperation in a debate AFAIC.

Yeah...the old Hitler routine. How tiresome.

 

[Into the Night]

Couple points:

EVERY Science uses models

Science isn't models. Science is a set of falsifiable theories..

YOU don't know a thing about models

No, that would be YOU.

You wouldn't know a good one from a corrupted one.

No such thing.

No you haven't. You don't even understand what is measured.

Models are not a measurement.

Too bad people who actually study the sun disagree with you.

Nonsense response. Go read his statement again.

You don't know a THING about science! LOL.

No, that would be YOU. It is YOU discarding the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

Guess I'll take my university degree in geology and believe it in peace then.

Science isn't a university or degree.

What in god's name do YOU know about fossil fuels?

There is no such thing as 'fossil fuels'. Fossils don't burn. We don't use them for fuel.

 

[AProudLefty]

Science isn't models.

Science use models.

There is no such thing as 'fossil fuels'. Fossils don't burn. We don't use them for fuel.

Define 'coal'.

 

[AProudLefty]

If there is no such thing as fossil fuels, then how did the steam engines move?

 

[Into the Night]

I don't know why you keep pulling random numbers out of thin air. I'm saying that there is systemic resistance to clean energy because it costs big energy money that they don't want to lose or invest, and the government is owned and controlled by money.

I don't know why you keep pulling random words out of thin air. Define 'clean energy'. Define 'big energy'.

Then there are the MAGA types

MAGA isn't a person.

who don't want to convert

Convert to what?? Define 'clean energy'.

because they don't understand science

No science here...move along...move along...

and think every thing even remotely sounding like progress is evil.

Science isn't 'progress'. Define this 'progress'.

That's the MAGA comparison I made, and it's true. Clutch your pearls about Hitler to someone else.

YOU brought up Hitler (yet again).

We can be replacing our power plants now.

With what? Why do you want government interference with markets?

We can be replacing our vehicles now.

With what? EVs?? Toyota just announced they are abandoning EVs. There just is no significant market for them.

The only small scales we've achieved have been the work of governments and activists.

So...fascism and communism.

I understand that you claim to be open to some form of conversion, but that's not what the far right wants as a policy. They think we should be drilling more oil and mining more coal.

Sure. Government should get OUT of trying to 'manage' (dictate) energy markets. Over 99% of the cars and trucks on the road today use oil products.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm not sure what people mean when they say environmentalists have gone from calling it "global warming" to "climate change."

Because they did.

For starters, it has been that way for 2 decades now - it's not some "sudden" thing. And everyone who understands climate even the smallest bit knows that it IS global warming, but that leads to more extreme weather events, including extreme cold & snow.

Yeah, it was about a couple of decades now, but it's based on the same stupid religion.

I think environmentalists started switching to "climate change" (years ago) because they realized poorly informed conservatives would always see cold weather events as "proof" that global warming doesn't exist. Because that's all the right cares about - they don't want to have an honest conversation about the health of our planet. Ever.

No gas or vapor is capable of warming the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.
You cannot trap heat.
You cannot trap light.
You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.

 

[Into the Night]

It's not a church, dude

Yes it is. It is a fundamentalist style religion.

- and I addressed the alleged "rebranding."

So did I. We somewhat agree on that point. It is, however still the Church of Global Warming.

What you're doing is distracting from the actual conversation by trying to find some sort of "gotcha."

Nah. No 'gotcha'. Just pointing out the theories of science you discard and the mathematics you discard.

The planet is in real trouble.

Did it get caught with it's hands in the cookie jar?

This is a non-partisan issue,

Buzzwords are not an issue.

and it's only a matter of time before we're all on board with trying to save the only home we have.

Save it from what? Define The Problem.

 

[AProudLefty]

So ovens cannot trap heat?

 

[Diesel]

Ask Into The Night about the ovens and thermometers. It's funny!

I don't even want to know. He keeps repeating the 1st law because he doesn't understand that we're not creating energy. We're releasing it by combusting fossil fuels.

 

[Into the Night]

over 95 percent of climate scientists believe in the essentially same global warming.

Because they all deny and discard the same theories of science and the same mathematics, just like you do. They are nothing more than high priests in the Church of Global Warming.

The geese are an observation that shows it is staying warmer, longer just as predicted.

Geese don't measure temperature or CO2.

They flew off 6 weeks later than they used to.

Somebody must've been feeding them. A lot of geese never even bother to fly south.

I would have a better chance talking sense to a goose than you. You use such slanted terms.

You are describing yourself again.

Global warming is science.

Religion is not science, dude.

Ant global warming is like a church based on belief. Of course, you have it backward.

Never heard of a church for ants.

 

[Into the Night]

So the temperatures on ovens are a lie?

Heat has no temperature, dumbass. Pivot fallacy.

 

[Diesel]

I don't know why you keep pulling random words out of thin air. Define 'clean energy'. Define 'big energy'.

MAGA isn't a person.

Convert to what?? Define 'clean energy'.

No science here...move along...move along...

Science isn't 'progress'. Define this 'progress'.

YOU brought up Hitler (yet again).

With what? Why do you want government interference with markets?

With what? EVs?? Toyota just announced they are abandoning EVs. There just is no significant market for them.

So...fascism and communism.

Sure. Government should get OUT of trying to 'manage' (dictate) energy markets. Over 99% of the cars and trucks on the road today use oil products.

No, idiot, I did not bring up Hitler.