Was Global Warming responsible for the many deaths in freezing-snow packed Buffalo?

[Into the Night]

Ultimately, yes. Let's suppose that we can use up every last fossil fuel on the planet before the pollution kills us. What's your plan then?

We don't burn fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.

What is this 'pollution'? Define this 'pollution' you keep talking about. What is it, and why will it kill us?

 

[BartenderElite]

We should always look for better options but putting humans on a extreme energy diet as planned will lead to catastrophe.

Where did I suggest going on an extreme energy diet?

 

[AProudLefty]

Consult a dictionary if you are actually as ignorant as you claim.

I looked it up. The results are the diet and energy products.

 

[Into the Night]

Go back to living in caves. Adapt in other words.
But I have no problem w/ govt. funding research for renewable energy, in fact I encourage it. I encourage a reasonable transition to renewable energy.
Besides the market will win out in the foreseeable future anyway. The IPCC, Paris accords, Al Gore, Greta, etc. can make all the pie in the sky goals , complaints, whining how their lives ruined and childhoods have been lost, and doomsday predictions they want. The market will win in the end.

The market will win in the end. That's the key right there. Any government manipulation of markets is fascism. Any government ownership of markets is communism.

 

[Into the Night]

The market is the reason we don't use renewable energy. Literally everything would still run on oil and gas if governments and the climate change lobby didn't make all of the progress we have made so far.

So you propose fascism and communism. You have just revealed what you are.

 

[AProudLefty]

We don't burn fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.

 

[BartenderElite]

Why do many conservatives hate the planet?

It makes no sense. I like breathing clean air. I like drinking clean water. Biodiversity? That's cool too.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Where did I suggest going on an extreme energy diet?

Where did I say that you did?

 

[Diesel]

You still haven't defined this 'pollution'. Oil is a renewable resource.

Your stupid questions are a waste of everyone's time. When we burn fossil fuels to produce energy we release chemicals into the air that become trapped in the atmosphere and ultimately affect the planet's climate.

It takes as much energy to synthesize oil as it produces.

 

[AProudLefty]

Why do many conservatives hate the planet?

It makes no sense. I like breathing clean air. I like drinking clean water. Biodiversity? That's cool too.

It's more like they love money.

 

[Diesel]

Consult a dictionary if you are actually as ignorant as you claim.

You should be telling that to Into the Night. He's the one who keeps asking stupid questions just to destroy the thread.

 

[Into the Night]

You clearly don't necessarily understand the urgency of the situation

What situation? Running out of oil? The world produces more oil than ever before. It's a renewable resource.

and how market forces, while often quite effective at solving problems, don't work on short time scales like this.

Market forces work on both long and short time spans, indeed, they work continuously.

That's why we needed gov't mandates and funding to build that atomic bomb,

We didn't.

electrify much of the Rural US,

It was happening anyway without government 'help'.

Montreal Protocols and acid-raid issues.

Nope. Government got in the way of that one being implemented. It didn't help.

All of those things were fixed through government mandates and funding

NONE of them were.

and did NOT rely solely on the free market to fix the problem.

Fascism and communism doesn't work.

We are running out of time now

For what?

mainly because so many denialists spent so many decades keeping us from dealing with the actual science.

You deny science. You are a denialist.

Now we are without a lot of additional time and we have run out the clock on the "free market fixes".

What 'fix'? What are you talking about? Running out of oil? Oil is a renewable resource!

 

[Diesel]

We don't burn fossils for fuel. Fossils don't burn.

What is this 'pollution'? Define this 'pollution' you keep talking about. What is it, and why will it kill us?

You are an idiot of epic proportions. They're called fossil fuels. No one thinks we burn fossils.

 

[Diesel]

So you propose fascism and communism. You have just revealed what you are.

The economy has always been regulated. Go be a dishonest drama queen with someone else.

 

[Hawkeye10]

You should be telling that to Into the Night. He's the one who keeps asking stupid questions just to destroy the thread.

I told him directly just two days ago that he is a shit.

 

[AProudLefty]

That T-Rex sure looks good for a campfire!!!

 

[Into the Night]

The market is the reason we don't use renewable energy. Literally everything would still run on oil and gas if governments and the climate change lobby didn't make all of the progress we have made so far.

You seem to forget about nuclear power, developed by private industry; or hydroelectric power, developed by private industry; or coal, methane, or any source of cheap energy that is in use today.
Wind is the 2nd most expensive method of generating energy, watt for watt. It only exists because of socialism. Solar is the most expensive. It also only exists because of socialism. Neither of these forms of energy can compete in an open market.

 

[Diesel]

I don't know why he insists on being so painfully stupid every time he posts. I'd like to believe that it's all an act, but I really don't think it is.

 

[Into the Night]

the problem is Paris puts the US/west at a real competitive disadvantage in the meantime.
Which is why China pledges a full transition, but is exempt in the meantime -
and those are just unenforceable target dates - no hard mandatory dates

The monstrosity just passed is full of unrealistic/unusable green crap.
(Thank you McConnell and moronic Republicans as well)
As you said market transition to a COMBINATION of fossil and renewables is ideal

Renewables have their place , but no way on earth they can supply all the energy needed
to run a modern industrialized state. Greeniacs may wish otherwise, but they at at best a subsidiary to fossils

The Paris agreement is unenforceable, since it is not possible to measure the atmospheric content of CO2 over any nation nor is it possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.

 

[Diesel]

I told him directly just two days ago that he is a shit.

I give credit where credit is due.