We're scratching our heads and wondering where cons get the idea we want war.
trump signs russia sanctions bill
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We're scratching our heads and wondering where cons get the idea we want war.
Only conservatives.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Absolutely
yep. which is why Hillary had to go to the scrap heap of history
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I don't care what you've said .. the truth is glaringly obvious.
You've been wrong about everything.
then feel free to stop posting to me since you have been saying I'm always wrong without actually saying why.
I severely question the "Russian hackers" since the FBI never did forensics, and Crowdstrike methods have been shown t0 be wrong before.
But the main idea that Russiaphobia hurts everyone is indisputable.
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wanna hear a joke?
Yestersays WAPO editorial was crying the blues that US/Russian relations are at an all time low and it's Cold War again! lol
Cold War relic, present day threat
The principal strategic challenge facing the United States is the rise of revisionist powers — Russia, China and Iran — striving to expel American influence from their regions
the rest is 100% Putin bashing ( typical American inability to focus on one's own behavior while bashing others)..but I thought this line straight out of American exceptionalism particularly droll
The principal strategic challenge facing the United States is the rise of revisionist powers — Russia, China and Iran — striving to expel American influence from their regions
the rest is 100% Putin bashing ( typical American inability to focus on one's own behavior while bashing others)..but I thought this line straight out of American exceptionalism particularly droll
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
then feel free to stop posting to me since you have been saying I'm always wrong without actually saying why.
I severely question the "Russian hackers" since the FBI never did forensics, and Crowdstrike methods have been shown t0 be wrong before.
But the main idea that Russiaphobia hurts everyone is indisputable.
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wanna hear a joke?
Yestersays WAPO editorial was crying the blues that US/Russian relations are at an all time low and it's Cold War again! lol
You said there was nothing there .. just phobia's. You went on and on about the investigation being nothing more than a witch hunt. Nobody knew what they were talking about but you.
Wrong.
Wanna' hear something funnier?
Fragile economy stays Putin's hand in stand-off with U.S.
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian leader Vladimir Putin is unlikely to risk an escalating round of tit-for-tat sanctions with Washington because the only measures that would hurt the United States would also endanger Russia's fragile economic recovery.
Russia last week ordered Washington to cut 755 of its 1,200 embassy and consular staff and said it was seizing two diplomatic properties, after U.S. lawmakers backed a new round of economic sanctions on Moscow.
Though an eye-catching gesture, Russia's response does not pack the same punch as the U.S. penalties, which target Russian energy projects, make it harder for U.S. President Donald Trump to ease earlier sanctions, and could further restrict lending to Russia.
That partly reflects the fact that Russia has relatively few ways of hurting the United States, whose economy is around 14 times larger than Russia's.
It also reflects worries in the Kremlin about the health of the economy ahead of a presidential election in March.
In 2014, when the United States and European Union imposed an earlier round of sanctions over Moscow's annexation of the Crimea peninsula from Ukraine, the Kremlin's main response was to limit Western food imports, a comparatively soft measure.
"It was a case of the head overruling the heart and I expect exactly the same response this time," said Chris Weafer, senior partner at Macro-Advisory consultancy in Moscow. "Something which will cause some discomfort for the U.S. but which will not derail the Kremlin's efforts to attract international investors and grow the economy."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-retaliation-economy-idUSKBN1AH4S1
Just like I and others have been saying.
"Russian collusion" is a witch hunt..absolutely no evidence of it -not even a leak
Yes the political investigations ( which begat Meuller - but stick to the Congressional ones) have shown no Russian collusion..
Yes I agree Russia cannot play tit for tat on the sanctions and expect that to be effective
Enjoy the Cold War 2...we're on the road again
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
No we aren't .. because Russia can't afford it. Putin needs foreign investment. He has no real industry and the only money for innovation goes to the military.
Are you typing on a Russian computer? How about a Russian tablet while you're sitting at home watching a Russian TV? There's a pretty good chance that you don't have any of that. Why? No industry.
How much do you want to bet there will be no real cold war 2? Bet $100. A gentleman's bet between brothers. :0) When I win, I'll refuse to take your money .. too easy.
Putin is a warrior and thief. He's not a leader. He probably has more money than Russia .. that he keeps in western banks. :0) non, nod .. hint, hint. I wouldn't bet an a cold war if I were you.
My advice .. take a step back to when you were an independent. Ask yourself how could you possibly be celebrating the chaos of Donald Trump? How? It's chaos almost daily . and because you truly believed there was nothing to the Russian connection .. which is now being acknowledged even by a republican-controlled Congress .. AND, by his own administration. He betrayed you. He betrayed your faith, just like he does with everybody else. He's an overblown charlatan .. and now he's poking North Korea .. which is more dangerous than Russia. Not because they have more weapons, but because they have more will.
How did you get here?
You're smarter than this.
I'm offering you the red pill brother. :0) Snap out of it. You cannot save Trump, but you can save your integrity.
Russia sanctions fuel new Cold War
The drive to put more sanctions on Russia might feel good. But fueling a new Cold War can only propel the United States in the wrong direction. It’s time to turn away from a collision course, not step on the gas.
Whatever you think of Vladimir Putin — or Donald Trump, for that matter — they are the presidents of the world’s nuclear superpowers. Piling sanctions on Russia means escalating tensions. And that’s extremely dangerous.
When this year began, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists moved its risk-estimate Doomsday Clock closer to apocalyptic midnight than at any time since 1953
If new sanctions target Russia, the predictable results will include angry responses from the Kremlin and more polarized attitudes in both countries — damaging the prospects for any détente while boosting a spiral of mutual hostility.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...el-new-cold-war-editorials-debates/104017496/
WaPo Worries About ‘A New Cold War’ After Months Of Russia Bashing Coverage
After months of breathlessly reporting on President Trump’s cozy relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, The Washington Post now claims both countries are on the precipice of another Cold War.
The United States and Russia have descended to a new low point in relations, with waves of sanctions and escalating*retaliation,” the editorial board*wrote Tuesday. “Twenty-five years after the Cold War ended, relations are back in a deep freeze. What happened?”
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/02/w...lycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
That's speculation. Hit me back when Putin does something real .. like kick out American business.
.. else, "pay the 100 dollars." :0) Valdez is Coming.
New Cold War Ukraine and Beyond
The Atlantic Council is an organization dedicated to discussion between people who hate Russia and folk who really, really hate Russia.
Thus, amid the current hysteria, it’s Christmas every day for its assorted staff and “fellows” or, to use a more accurate term, ‘lobbyists.’
Some of the more prominent beneficiaries of the resultant money tree include Bellingcat’s Eliot Higgins, CNN’s Michael Weiss, Crowdstrike’s Dmitri Alperovitch, Obama-era advisor Evelyn Farkas and Maxim Eristavi of Ukraine’s Maidan. All of whom are conveniently united by their hostility to all things Russian.
Some of the more prominent beneficiaries of the resultant money tree include Bellingcat’s Eliot Higgins, CNN’s Michael Weiss, Crowdstrike’s Dmitri Alperovitch, Obama-era advisor Evelyn Farkas and Maxim Eristavi of Ukraine’s Maidan. All of whom are conveniently united by their hostility to all things Russian.
The Atlantic Council’s content ranges from very anti-Russian to extremely anti-Russian.
....
So, now that we’ve established the Atlantic Council’s modus operandi let’s look at the latest example of the group’s myopia. This week, they’ve unleashed one Polina Kovaleva to opine on “why Congress should pass the Russian sanctions bill.” And she’s delivered a tirade which is shoddy, even when measured by the usual indigent standards.
Kovaleva gives her readers examples of why the embargo is justified, in her opinion, but then delivers a line so deceptive that it makes you wonder whether she’s in touch with reality. “Although the Senate easily passed a strong sanctions bill in June to punish Russia for its aggression in Ukraine and annexation of Crimea, the White House has quietly lobbied to weaken it, and some European politicians are pushing back,” she writes
That’s right, “some European politicians are pushing back.” Some! What she actually means is “basically every significant elected representative in the European Union.” Including, the “leader of the free world” herself Angela Merkel and that well-known renegade Jean-Claude Juncker.
Here’s what Reuters reported on Wednesday morning: “European Commission President Jean-Meanwhile, for her part, Merkel has backed Germany’s Foreign Minister, Sigmar Gabriel, in expressing concerns that Washington is threatening “illegal extraterritorial sanctions against European companies that participate in the development of European energy supply.”
Because everybody in Europe knows this U.S. Congress bill has little or nothing to do with punishing Russia. Instead, it’s about trying to nudge Moscow’s energy companies out of Europe, to create market share for their competitors. In other words, a form of economic war, in which the EU countries’ interests don’t amount to a hill of beans.
Something explained recently by Wolfgang Ischinger, a prominent German pundit and former diplomat. He contended: “how would the U.S. have reacted if Europeans had adopted a bill against Keystone XL pipeline but in favor of European business?” before pointing out “for Europe, the loss of such large oil or gas supplies from Russia is unacceptable: there are no alternatives.”
Without question, this is a high-profile resistance campaign. And these sanctions could severely rupture transatlantic ties. Because you don’t get more powerful than Merkel and Juncker in Europe. But the Atlantic Council makes it sound as if a few fringe politicians are off on a solo-run, rejecting Washington’s supreme wisdom.
https://www.newcoldwar.org/atlantic-council-experts-front-line-disinformation/
The Atlantic Council is an organization dedicated to discussion between people who hate Russia and folk who really, really hate Russia.
Thus, amid the current hysteria, it’s Christmas every day for its assorted staff and “fellows” or, to use a more accurate term, ‘lobbyists.’
Some of the more prominent beneficiaries of the resultant money tree include Bellingcat’s Eliot Higgins, CNN’s Michael Weiss, Crowdstrike’s Dmitri Alperovitch, Obama-era advisor Evelyn Farkas and Maxim Eristavi of Ukraine’s Maidan. All of whom are conveniently united by their hostility to all things Russian.
Some of the more prominent beneficiaries of the resultant money tree include Bellingcat’s Eliot Higgins, CNN’s Michael Weiss, Crowdstrike’s Dmitri Alperovitch, Obama-era advisor Evelyn Farkas and Maxim Eristavi of Ukraine’s Maidan. All of whom are conveniently united by their hostility to all things Russian.
The Atlantic Council’s content ranges from very anti-Russian to extremely anti-Russian.
....
So, now that we’ve established the Atlantic Council’s modus operandi let’s look at the latest example of the group’s myopia. This week, they’ve unleashed one Polina Kovaleva to opine on “why Congress should pass the Russian sanctions bill.” And she’s delivered a tirade which is shoddy, even when measured by the usual indigent standards.
Kovaleva gives her readers examples of why the embargo is justified, in her opinion, but then delivers a line so deceptive that it makes you wonder whether she’s in touch with reality. “Although the Senate easily passed a strong sanctions bill in June to punish Russia for its aggression in Ukraine and annexation of Crimea, the White House has quietly lobbied to weaken it, and some European politicians are pushing back,” she writes
That’s right, “some European politicians are pushing back.” Some! What she actually means is “basically every significant elected representative in the European Union.” Including, the “leader of the free world” herself Angela Merkel and that well-known renegade Jean-Claude Juncker.
Here’s what Reuters reported on Wednesday morning: “European Commission President Jean-Meanwhile, for her part, Merkel has backed Germany’s Foreign Minister, Sigmar Gabriel, in expressing concerns that Washington is threatening “illegal extraterritorial sanctions against European companies that participate in the development of European energy supply.”
Because everybody in Europe knows this U.S. Congress bill has little or nothing to do with punishing Russia. Instead, it’s about trying to nudge Moscow’s energy companies out of Europe, to create market share for their competitors. In other words, a form of economic war, in which the EU countries’ interests don’t amount to a hill of beans.
Something explained recently by Wolfgang Ischinger, a prominent German pundit and former diplomat. He contended: “how would the U.S. have reacted if Europeans had adopted a bill against Keystone XL pipeline but in favor of European business?” before pointing out “for Europe, the loss of such large oil or gas supplies from Russia is unacceptable: there are no alternatives.”
Without question, this is a high-profile resistance campaign. And these sanctions could severely rupture transatlantic ties. Because you don’t get more powerful than Merkel and Juncker in Europe. But the Atlantic Council makes it sound as if a few fringe politicians are off on a solo-run, rejecting Washington’s supreme wisdom.
https://www.newcoldwar.org/atlantic-council-experts-front-line-disinformation/
We should just say to Putin: "You know what, Vladimir? Just keep Crimea and Donbass, we will look the other way. And if you want to invade the sovereign nation of Georgia again, who are we to complain?!"
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Oh, hi
why would he kick out American business when he needs trade?
I have shown you increased militarization and spending. not in the future, not speculative
I've shown Russian and Chinese war gaming/alliances
I've shown where this comes from a bunch of neocons and MIC types
Both Trump and Putin say ( and I've shown others that agree) that "US/Russian relations are at an all time low"
I've shown Russian tactical nukes to keep up with NATO personnel advantages
Today even Medvedev:
If you cannot see we are IN "new cold war" or Cold war 2 as I call it..perhaps you should try one of those red pills yourself good brother
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Oh, hi
How does that equate with him having no choice?
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
Yeah, that's it.
Yep. And I understand why you're covering your face in shame there at the end of your post.
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Oh, hi
What a dumbass you are. Yeah, being ranked second in the world means they are a "pawltry" military.
Nomad
Every trumper is a N4T.
Because the number of Senators who voted for it constituted a veto-proof majority.
Had he not signed it, it would've become law anyway and Trump would've been embarrassed and seen as weak and irrelevant.
Think, dumbass.