Trump deliberately sows confusion about COVID

[Darth Omar]

Did I say that Trump's crisis management was the ONLY issue?

No, I did not. Those are all issues. But when faced with a pandemic, we have seen Trump's true colors as a "leader," and I used that last term VERY loosely.

You don't want the election to be a referendum on that. But it's a pretty big issue, so you won't get your wish on that.

If you want to win an election you have to think past the Bubble.

Yes, according to democrats it’s Trump’s virus; 200,000 yada yada yada. But Biden needs more than just democrats. You need to consider the possibility that independents might consider that idea to be a tad simple-minded—because it IS.

Also, the notion that Trump’s pre-COVID economy was actually Obama’s economy very nearly demands an ideological commitment to Obama. IOW, there’s absolutely no guarantee that is going to play well—beyond Democrat voters.

The violence/chaos in the streets hasn’t exactly gone on unnoticed even as the Biden campaign went to great lengths to ‘not notice it’—until the polls started to reflect it.

If you think this is going to be a ‘COVID election’ you and the democrats may be in for a rude awakening in November.

 

[Callinectes]

Trump lied. You are a pathetic moron.

1) COVID19 is bad

2) Many people die

3) Wait for vaccine and therapeutics

Everything else is politics and semantics

Did I lie? Keep the politics out of this and just listen to the scientists, that way your little rat brain won't be so "confused" now, will it?

 

[jacksonsprat22]

Did I lie? Keep the politics out of this and just listen to the scientists, that way your little rat brain won't be so "confused" now, will it?

fuck off

 

[ExpressLane]

This is leadership?

The latest contradiction w/ the head of the CDC is just the most recent example. But from the start, he has knowingly deceived the public every step of the way: about how serious the threat was, about the #'s, about the timeline for a vaccine, about various treatments, about masks, disinfectant, shutdowns, and every other aspect of this pandemic.

And polls are now showing the results: Americans describe themselves as confused, and not knowing who or what to believe.

People don't want to hear it, and I won't use the "H" word - but this is straight out of every dictator wannabe's playbook. Confusing the public + discrediting all other sources of information = increased reliance on you.

 

[BartenderElite]

If you want to win an election you have to think past the Bubble.

Yes, according to democrats it’s Trump’s virus; 200,000 yada yada yada. But Biden needs more than just democrats. You need to consider the possibility that independents might consider that idea to be a tad simple-minded—because it IS.

Also, the notion that Trump’s pre-COVID economy was actually Obama’s economy very nearly demands an ideological commitment to Obama. IOW, there’s absolutely no guarantee that is going to play well—beyond Democrat voters.

The violence/chaos in the streets hasn’t exactly gone on unnoticed even as the Biden campaign went to great lengths to ‘not notice it’—until the polls started to reflect it.

If you think this is going to be a ‘COVID election’ you and the democrats may be in for a rude awakening in November.

There is really nothing simple-minded about observing a President spend an entire pandemic deceiving Americans and creating confusion & determining that you don't want that in a leader.

Personally, I think independents care about that. Part of the job of President is dealing with crisis.

 

[Airstrip One]

Biden is an anti-vaxer.

 

[Nordberg]

Trump put excruciating pressure on blue states to open up too soon. He is doing it now with the Pac 10 in football ,telling them to start playing. Trump has used the bully pulpit, like a real bully. He is trying to force companies and schools to open up when they are not ready. So, some people will get sick and some will die. This is about something far more important than life and death. It us about Trumps election chances. He would be happy if the whole country opened tomorrow. The deaths would mean nothing to him.

 

[Walt]

You don’t think crime/chaos/economy are issues?

trump has failed on crime, chaos, economics, and even health.

 

[Darth Omar]

trump has failed on crime, chaos, economics, and even health.

Again, you’re banking on independents accepting all that and it’s not exactly a logical necessity.

In fact, they would have to reduce democrats to impotent wallflowers in terms of the violence in democrat cities. Which in fact they were. Democrats own the Orwellian ‘summer of love’ in Portland. Democrats and their media lap dogs didn’t exactly focus on it but many voters of different stripes were watching and thinking.

And you expect them to pin that on Trump? You expect them to ‘not notice’ Democrats not saying a word about it in their convention? Not notice, that Biden didn’t start talking about it until he was basically forced to?

Democrats are expecting a lot of ‘not noticing’ from people outside of their own party. And it’s almost certain many of their own voters have ‘noticed some things’ about their own party over ‘the summer of love’.

I read where the homicide rate jumped 50%[!] this year. That’s certainly noticeable. Trump’s fault? Really? Local governments are blameless? If so, what do they do, exactly? Why do they exist?

Trump had some pretty decent approval numbers on the economy before the China Virus that came from China got here. As mentioned, not all voters have an ideological commitment to Obama, such that they were still calling it ‘Obama’s economy’ three full years into the next presidency.

Not the way it usually works and you’re asking them to make an exception.

And since the *policy response put in place by governors* ruined Trump’s economy, who should independents trust to revive it, Trump or Harris-Biden?

To very many of them, that answer should be easy enough.

 

[countryboy]

Trump was offering supplies, ventilators, everything Coumo was asking for. Coumo even commended Trump for it. You have a short, partisan attention span. NY city asshole.

Archives is an asshole to be sure, but more importantly, he's just not very bright. I'm trying to be kind.

 

[midcan5]

Since it was asked, one must also ask why someone would vote for this man? Donnie may love you, see down.

"What is patriotism? Let us begin with what patriotism is not. It is not patriotic to dodge the draft and to mock war heroes and their families. It is not patriotic to discriminate against active-duty members of the armed forces in one's companies, or to campaign to keep disabled veterans away from one's property. It is not patriotic to compare one's search for sexual partners in New York with the military service in Vietnam that one has dodged. It is not patriotic to avoid paying taxes, especially when American working families do pay. It is not patriotic to ask those working, taxpaying American families to finance one's own presidential campaign, and then to spend their contributions in one's own companies. It is not patriotic to admire foreign dictators. It is not patriotic to cultivate a relationship with Muammar Gaddafi; or to say that Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin are superior leaders. It is not patriotic to call upon Russia to intervene in an American presidential election. It is not patriotic to cite Russian propaganda at rallies." Timothy Snyder 'On Tyranny'

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33917107-on-tyranny


'100 Ways, in 100 Days, that Trump Has Hurt Americans'

https://www.americanprogress.org/is...31299/100-ways-100-days-trump-hurt-americans/


"Cold, grasping, bleak, graceless, and dull; unctuous, sleek, pitiless, and crass; a pallid vulgarian floating through life on clouds of acrid cologne and trailed by a vanguard of fawning divorce lawyers, the devil is probably eerily similar to Donald Trump though perhaps just a little nicer."

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2011/05/a-person-you-flee-at-parties


"I love the uneducated." Donald John Trump

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

If, as all the trumpers suggest, your President has no political powers whatever and didn't cause the huge death-rate, for God's sake get rid of the useless bugger and save some money.

 

[Code1211]

This is leadership?

The latest contradiction w/ the head of the CDC is just the most recent example. But from the start, he has knowingly deceived the public every step of the way: about how serious the threat was, about the #'s, about the timeline for a vaccine, about various treatments, about masks, disinfectant, shutdowns, and every other aspect of this pandemic.

And polls are now showing the results: Americans describe themselves as confused, and not knowing who or what to believe.

People don't want to hear it, and I won't use the "H" word - but this is straight out of every dictator wannabe's playbook. Confusing the public + discrediting all other sources of information = increased reliance on you.

The confusion is only in the minds of those that are either stupid or propagandists.

The members of the White House Press corp, in the majority, fall into both categories.

Your example of the President disagreeing with the obviously wrong statement from the CDC is a good example of TDS. I wonder if the CDC could treat that...

The predicted completion and issuance of the vaccine is pegged as October or soon afterward in 2020, not late in 2021. This is accelerated from the would be normal distribution date of 2022 or 2023.

The President was honest and open in his statement regarding the confused or simply wrong statement from Dr. Redfield.

The simple truths are these:

The 100 million doses that will be available immediately upon approval will be used for those folks. Others will get them as the prioritization is established.

Covid kills people in very specific target groups. Age 60 and up comprise 90% of all Covid deaths. Front line workers and those who are old need the vaccinations first.

People age 40 and younger are pretty much bullet proof absent severe underlying conditions. Death rate in that general group, with or without underlying conditions, is about 1% of all deaths.

The median age of Covid fatality is over 75 years.

We have, over the last nine months learned a great deal about how this virus works, who it attacks and who it kills. We have also leaned a lot about our politicians and their dishonesty.

Don't you just LOVE how ALL of the Democrat-Socialists are suddenly experts on what we need to do while they lie with every breath, shut down with no reason and fear monger?

 

[dukkha]

It is not patriotic to cultivate a relationship with Muammar Gaddafi; or to say that Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin are superior leaders.

such crap.
Killing Qaddafi has brought Libya to it's knees -now a prolonged stalemated civil war.
Assad is not an Islamist -doesn't support terrorists.
Putin is a rational actor -if China can deal with Russia, we sure as well can too

 

[Callinectes]

fuck off

 

[Walt]

Again, you’re banking on independents accepting all that and it’s not exactly a logical necessity.

There really do not seem to be many independents left. The electorate is barely moving in either direction. Both trump's successes and failures barely change things. trump has had some of the biggest failures in history, and he has said some of the oddest things any president ever has, and that barely changed any minds.

Biden is in the lead, not by much, but definitely in the lead. So we really do not need to move the needle at all. trump is driving up Biden's supporters likelihood to vote, and driving down the likelihood of trump's reluctant supporters to vote. I think Biden might do a percent or two better than we think.

blah blah blah

You whine that it is not trump's fault that he failed so badly. That is the way you justify not caring about trump's failure.

It really does not matter. trump needs more votes to win, and whining his failures are not his fault is not getting you those more votes. It is only securing you the already losing number of votes.

 

[Walt]

The predicted completion and issuance of the vaccine is pegged as October or soon afterward in 2020, not late in 2021. This is accelerated from the would be normal distribution date of 2022 or 2023.

A new vaccine would normally take 10 years to develop and distribute, so it would normally be 2030. Many of these are more novel vaccines, so would take 20 years or more, so that would be 2040.

With a lot of work, there is a possibility, but not a likelihood, of early 2021. Late 2021 would be more realistic. October is a sick joke by a pathetic old orange man.

The 100 million doses that will be available immediately upon approval will be used for those folks.

If it turns out to be the easiest of the vaccines to produce, then we could have 100 million doses by early 2021. The odds of the easiest vaccine working are very low.

There is a lot of evidence that the vaccine will not work well. So vaccinating those in greatest danger will not do much. You need to target the most likely to transmit the disease in order to try to stop the spread.

People age 40 and younger are pretty much bullet proof absent severe underlying conditions.

The two big underlying conditions would be not having access to universal healthcare, and being overweight. That describes Americans.

 

[Walt]

Assad is not an Islamist -doesn't support terrorists.

Assad is an ally of Iran.

 

[Darth Omar]

There really do not seem to be many independents left. The electorate is barely moving in either direction. Both trump's successes and failures barely change things. trump has had some of the biggest failures in history, and he has said some of the oddest things any president ever has, and that barely changed any minds.

Biden is in the lead, not by much, but definitely in the lead. So we really do not need to move the needle at all. trump is driving up Biden's supporters likelihood to vote, and driving down the likelihood of trump's reluctant supporters to vote. I think Biden might do a percent or two better than we think.



You whine that it is not trump's fault that he failed so badly. That is the way you justify not caring about trump's failure.

It really does not matter. trump needs more votes to win, and whining his failures are not his fault is not getting you those more votes. It is only securing you the already losing number of votes.

You’re still counting on Alt-Walt’s mere insistence that Trump owns *this economy* when it was shutdown on the state and local level.

You kind of have ‘to want to believe that’ since one is required to ignore some very relevant facts in order to make it a true statement.

I see absolutely no guarantee that will even trick every democrat voter.

 

[BartenderElite]

You’re still counting on Alt-Walt’s mere insistence that Trump owns *this economy* when it was shutdown on the state and local level.

You kind of have ‘to want to believe that’ since one is required to ignore some very relevant facts in order to make it a true statement.

I see absolutely no guarantee that will even trick every democrat voter.

It's not a trick. Presidents get credit for the economy, good or bad. People vote their wallets.

I disagree w/ your premise anyway, but even if true, people don't care about nuances related to various localities or local leaders.