Thoughts on the Republican Convention.

ChoppedLiver said:
Did you say...

Democrats say IDs disenfranchise people

..or did you not say that (or something similar)?

You would think that even an ambulance chaser like yourself would be able to understand something as simple as that.
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I did not say that.

Now, can you bring yourself to discuss the Republican convention?
 
Jarod said:
I agree they CAN chose who they want. The question is what considerations should they entertain?

I can remember a lot of bellyaching about the Democrats Super delegates and how undemocratic they are.
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The super delegates are undemocratic in the sense that the voters aren't really choosing are they?

Not much different in the Republican Party.

This whole notion of the voters having a say in the nominee is a recent phenomenon. The truth is even with the primaries and caucuses the powers that be have ALWAYS chosen the nominee. It is just that up until recently there was the illusion that he voters had a say.

One thing that has come about from this primary season is that the curtain has been pulled back on the scam.

I don't know about anyone else but I was never really aware of the inner workings of the rules until this year. And I suspect that I am not alone

The problem that the democrat party has is that they are nominating someone who has a disapproval of 50% who might be going against someone with approval of 60%

I think those that presume Hillary will walk away with the general will be as mistaken as those who thought she would steamroll Bernie
 
Jarod said:
I don't think its certain, I think the likelihood is growing. Trump could still sweep up enough delegates, and while unlikely Cruz could still basically run the board.

My question was about what you thing about the possibility of a brokered convention and its ramifications.
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And I replied that it is more likely a brokered dem convention.
But if you are ok to make this non specific question, the two parties have intentionally made the rules fuzzy whether the rank and file know it or not. So they could bitch about it but they really can't as they should know better.
However the non rank and file who are not card carrying (the mushy middle) will be unhappy and that will leave a mark.
The impact could be mitigated if both parties defy the voters. We're that to happen then it comes down to those who have some reason to care more than be ticked off.
But the mark will not go away soon and it throws open the door for a new way of doing business.
No matter what happens, the parties are damaged goods with no good way to recover.
 
I Love America said:
The super delegates are undemocratic in the sense that the voters aren't really choosing are they?

Not much different in the Republican Party.

This whole notion of the voters having a say in the nominee is a recent phenomenon. The truth is even with the primaries and caucuses the powers that be have ALWAYS chosen the nominee. It is just that up until recently there was the illusion that he voters had a say.

One thing that has come about from this primary season is that the curtain has been pulled back on the scam.

I don't know about anyone else but I was never really aware of the inner workings of the rules until this year. And I suspect that I am not alone

The problem that the democrat party has is that they are nominating someone who has a disapproval of 50% who might be going against someone with approval of 60%

I think those that presume Hillary will walk away with the general will be as mistaken as those who thought she would steamroll Bernie
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Maybe, and I agree HRC is unpopular, but if Trump or Cruz is the nominee she has a real chance because they are both less popular. Predicting the general election this far out is silly, but you can take some information and make an effort. From here it looks to me like she wins, lots will change before then.
 
Celticguy said:
And I replied that it is more likely a brokered dem convention.
But if you are ok to make this non specific question, the two parties have intentionally made the rules fuzzy whether the rank and file know it or not. So they could bitch about it but they really can't as they should know better.
However the non rank and file who are not card carrying (the mushy middle) will be unhappy and that will leave a mark.
The impact could be mitigated if both parties defy the voters. We're that to happen then it comes down to those who have some reason to care more than be ticked off.
But the mark will not go away soon and it throws open the door for a new way of doing business.
No matter what happens, the parties are damaged goods with no good way to recover.
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The Republican party is damaged goods, and so is the Democratic party to a lesser extent. The reason a brokered convention is much more likely in the Republican race is two-fold, there are, and have been for a long time, only two candidates and thus its easier, and more likely for one candidate to get a majority. The math greatly favors HRC at this point, but if Sanders can start winning big, he could pull it off... it would still be very unlikely to be a brokered convention. The other reason the Democrats are unlikely to have a brokered convention is the super delegates who will likely go with whoever has the largest amount of delegates to make sure a majority is reached. It is silly to say that the Democrats are as likely at this point to have a brokered convention as are the Republicans... You are simply incorrect in that statement.
 
ChoppedLiver said:
And you have posted about your beliefs regarding that subject in the past.

Thanks for proving yourself to be a fuckin' LIAR, asshole.
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I don't think I have posted that in the past. sorry.... dude, you are in bad shape... You should find someone to talk to.
 
Jarod said:
yes
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Fact is my state offered a free ID and a free ride to the almost 170,000 identified as not having a valid ID meeting the upcoming laws. 25 took the offer but far more still say the laws would disenfranchise. Sounds to me as if their lazy asses is the problem. It's bad when you can offer a bunch of whiners something free and they still don't take it.
 
Jarod said:
Maybe, and I agree HRC is unpopular, but if Trump or Cruz is the nominee she has a real chance because they are both less popular. Predicting the general election this far out is silly, but you can take some information and make an effort. From here it looks to me like she wins, lots will change before then.
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The hard right don't like Trump the mushy middle won't like Cruz (too religious).
The hard left don't like hrc the mushy middle don't like her either.
If it's hrc v Cruz it's close and no body is happy.
If it's hrc v Trump it's less close but Trump
If it's Bernie v Cruz it's close but probably Cruz
If it's Bernie v Trump it's not close and Trump

Or BO declares martial law and we.have a whole new ballgame. Which is to say anything can and probably will happen.

Whoever wins they will be one termers. Nobody will survive the next economic meltdown. Why do you think nobody worth a damn is running ?
 
Celticguy said:
The hard right don't like Trump the mushy middle won't like Cruz (too religious).
The hard left don't like hrc the mushy middle don't like her either.
If it's hrc v Cruz it's close and no body is happy.
If it's hrc v Trump it's less close but Trump
If it's Bernie v Cruz it's close but probably Cruz
If it's Bernie v Trump it's not close and Trump

Or BO declares martial law and we.have a whole new ballgame. Which is to say anything can and probably will happen.

Whoever wins they will be one termers. Nobody will survive the next economic meltdown. Why do you think nobody worth a damn is running ?
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Are you uneducated, stupid or just emotionally unstable?
 
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I think that they should make it so that all candidates that has or had a delegate since the primaries started should be on the list of people to be considered at the convention.
 
It seems to me, based on some of the rhetoric I am hearing from the Establishment Republicans that they are laying the groundwork to argue that of those who ran none were able to distinguish themselves enough with the voters to get a majority and thus they should not be considered and a "fresh face" should be chosen.

I think they want someone who did not run.
 
Cowgirl Tuff said:
I think that they should make it so that all candidates that has or had a delegate since the primaries started should be on the list of people to be considered at the convention.
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Why does it matter to you that they got a delegate? Its an interesting threshold.
 
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