this is how government fails

[Sammy Jankis]

Whew! There IS intelligent life on this planet Spock...

Bones, how is AssHatZombie?

My tricorder shows no brain activity................He's dead Jim...

BTW, In this case presented by MTY, usage would have to drop by one out of every four to break even in revenue...

Im still beating your ass. Damo just has more patience with explaining shit to idiots. Price effects consumption level, how that price/consumption line factors into the rest of your business proposition is of course, dependant on other factors.

 

[Bfgrn]

Im still beating your ass. Damo just has more patience with explaining shit to idiots. Price effects consumption level, how that price/consumption line factors into the rest of your business proposition is of course, dependant on other factors.

ROFLMAO...what a mouthful of pea brain babble...

But hey...I believe in hope...

So I hope Damo can explain to you my price/number of sales/revenue collected examples you were choking on...

Maybe Damo can use the Vulcan mind meld...

Beam me up Scotty...

 

[Mott the Hoople]

late last year, the north texas transit authority raised the toll road fee from .75 to 1.00 to to make up for a budget shortfall. As the majority of us predicted would happen, less people used the toll roads, so the obvious end result was a decrease in revenue.

what do the bureaucrats decide to do to make up for that shortfall?

raise the toll fee another 32%.

what a bunch of dumbasses.

You know I get tired of hearing you anti-government crowd. You'd think our goverment never, ever did anything worthwhile, like building our interestate highway system, building dams for electricity, irrigation and flood control, landing a man on the moon and putting telecommunication satellites in space or building the Panama Canal or the Transcontinental Railroad, etc, etc.

American has probably the finest Government in the history of mankind and alls you guys do is run it down.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Since all you do is pissing matches, I'm not interested in having a conversation with you at all.

Then seriously STFU

 

[Sammy Jankis]

ROFLMAO...what a mouthful of pea brain babble...

But hey...I believe in hope...

So I hope Damo can explain to you my price/number of sales/revenue collected examples you were choking on...

Maybe Damo can use the Vulcan mind meld...

Beam me up Scotty...

I understood your examples. I was just pointing out that your examples are some lame attempt to downplay the significance of general rules of supply/ demand.

 

[maineman]

Im still beating your ass. Damo just has more patience with explaining shit to idiots. Price effects consumption level, how that price/consumption line factors into the rest of your business proposition is of course, dependant on other factors.

increasing price does not always decrease consumption level.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

increasing price does not always decrease consumption level.

Right. That's called inelastic demand. I think people have a choice with the toll road. DOY.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

MM, are you and boffergroin jack off buddies?

 

[maineman]

Right. That's called inelastic demand. I think people have a choice with the toll road. DOY.

I agree they have a choice... yet you cannot show where they chose to take some other less convenient road simply because of a marginal toll increase... and you CERTAINLY cannot show where those that DO chose for that reason are responsible for ANY decrease in revenue.


and I have tried very hard to be very respectful of you during this debate.

apparently, you are not trying so hard.

noted.

 

[Bfgrn]

I understood your examples. I was just pointing out that your examples are some lame attempt to downplay the significance of general rules of supply/ demand.

You understood my examples, you just couldn't answer the simple econ 101 questions I posed...

I see....

AssHatZombie

 

[Sammy Jankis]

You understood my examples, you just couldn't answer the simple econ 101 questions I posed...

I see....

AssHatZombie

You questions were marginal examples, replete with idiocy, your attempt to downplay the GENERAL economic reality that higher prices decrease demand given a fair amount of elasticity.

 

[Minister of Truth]

You know I get tired of hearing you anti-government crowd. You'd think our goverment never, ever did anything worthwhile, like building our interestate highway system, building dams for electricity, irrigation and flood control, landing a man on the moon and putting telecommunication satellites in space or building the Panama Canal or the Transcontinental Railroad, etc, etc.

American has probably the finest Government in the history of mankind and alls you guys do is run it down.

Govt. also won the French & Indian War, so you would have thought that the bitching and complaining would have gone away then and there...

 

[Bfgrn]

You questions were marginal examples, replete with idiocy, your attempt to downplay the GENERAL economic reality that higher prices decrease demand given a fair amount of elasticity.

No, my original examples and questions were based on the actual toll rate changes Dumber than shit gave in the lead post...

By raising the toll from .75 to 1.00, the increased revenue would only be negated if MORE than 1 out of every 4 motorists opted to take alternate routes, which I pointed out may end up costing the motorist more $$...

That means the State would collect the same revenues after 3 vehicles it used to collect after 4...

Humans are creatures of habit...some will refuse to use the toll road based on principle. Some will try other routes and find out it's not worth it. MOST will just grit their teeth, say a few "FU Texas" and pay the nominal toll increase...

The cost of repairs to roads, bridges, guard rails, road marking, signs etc. are REAL...the costs increase in direct proportion to traffic volume...

If Texas can collect the SAME revenue with 3,000 vehicles using the road each day instead of 4,000 vehicles, they are actually AHEAD because the repair costs will decrease.

But hey, we could go back to what Thomas Jefferson envisioned... an agrarian society with little industrialization ... then dirt roads would suffice.


"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward."
Franklin D. Roosevelt

 

[Sammy Jankis]

No, my original examples and questions were based on the actual toll rate changes Dumber than shit gave in the lead post...

By raising the toll from .75 to 1.00, the increased revenue would only be negated if MORE than 1 out of every 4 motorists opted to take alternate routes, which I pointed out may end up costing the motorist more $$...

That means the State would collect the same revenues after 3 vehicles it used to collect after 4...

Humans are creatures of habit...some will refuse to use the toll road based on principle. Some will try other routes and find out it's not worth it. MOST will just grit their teeth, say a few "FU Texas" and pay the nominal toll increase...

The cost of repairs to roads, bridges, guard rails, road marking, signs etc. are REAL...the costs increase in direct proportion to traffic volume...

If Texas can collect the SAME revenue with 3,000 vehicles using the road each day instead of 4,000 vehicles, they are actually AHEAD because the repair costs will decrease.

But hey, we could go back to what Thomas Jefferson envisioned... an agrarian society with little industrialization ... then dirt roads would suffice.


"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward."
Franklin D. Roosevelt

You have a lot of if's in there. Nobody was a creating a scenario as involved as yours. STY was just mentioning the general dynamic that raising prices oftentimes reduces usage. Your introduction of suprfluous nonsense was a smokescreen to try downplay the basic facts of market operations.

 

[Bfgrn]

You have a lot of if's in there. Nobody was a creating a scenario as involved as yours. STY was just mentioning the general dynamic that raising prices oftentimes reduces usage. Your introduction of suprfluous nonsense was a smokescreen to try downplay the basic facts of market operations.

AssHatZombie...the ONLY one using deception is STY... he tried to put ALL the blame for a decrease in usage of the toll road on a quarter toll increase. When the WHOLE country's driving decreased even where there were no tolls because of a sharp increase in gas prices...STY didn't downplay that; he IGNORED it...

There are not many "ifs" in my scenario...the facts are most people will complain about the quarter toll increase and then pay it...

At $3.00 per/gal for gas, if you drive a vehicle that gets 25 mpg on the hwy and 20 mpg in stop & go traffic, the quarter you saved avoiding the toll will be GONE in gas usage in less than 2 miles of stop & go driving, that doesn't even factor in if it is a longer route, which will add MORE cost to avoiding the toll road.

Many people leave their house with just enough time to make it to work on time...now they will have to leave earlier, or break the law speeding to make up time. You are more likely to get a speeding ticket in a residential areas than you would on a super hwy...ONE ticket will wipe out a LOT of quarters saved...

IF you have an adult brain, you will just pay the toll increase... so usage will decrease, but not enough to decrease revenues...

 

[Sammy Jankis]

AssHatZombie...the ONLY one using deception is STY... he tried to put ALL the blame for a decrease in usage of the toll road on a quarter toll increase. When the WHOLE country's driving decreased even where there were no tolls because of a sharp increase in gas prices...STY didn't downplay that; he IGNORED it...

There are not many "ifs" in my scenario...the facts are most people will complain about the quarter toll increase and then pay it...

At $3.00 per/gal for gas, if you drive a vehicle that gets 25 mpg on the hwy and 20 mpg in stop & go traffic, the quarter you saved avoiding the toll will be GONE in gas usage in less than 2 miles of stop & go driving, that doesn't even factor in if it is a longer route, which will add MORE cost to avoiding the toll road.

Many people leave their house with just enough time to make it to work on time...now they will have to leave earlier, or break the law speeding to make up time. You are more likely to get a speeding ticket in a residential areas than you would on a super hwy...ONE ticket will wipe out a LOT of quarters saved...

IF you have an adult brain, you will just pay the toll increase... so usage will decrease, but not enough to decrease revenues...

But generally, increased prices reduces consumption. Sometimes, enough to decrease revenue, sometimes not.

you thought adding lots of extra bullshit to a relatively simple statement would make you look profound. It just makes you look like a dipstick.

 

[Bfgrn]

But generally, increased prices reduces consumption. Sometimes, enough to decrease revenue, sometimes not.

you thought adding lots of extra bullshit to a relatively simple statement would make you look profound. It just makes you look like a dipstick.

The "dipstick" is the pea brain that doesn't understand my "extras" are basics of "econ 101", realistic cost analysis and recognized patterns of human nature...

THAT would be YOU...

The bullshit is the SIMPLE statement that a toll increase is the LONE reason for less drivers ON the toll road...

THAT would be STY...

 

[Sammy Jankis]

The "dipstick" is the pea brain that doesn't understand my "extras" are basics of "econ 101", realistic cost analysis and recognized patterns of human nature...

THAT would be YOU...

The bullshit is the SIMPLE statement that a toll increase is the LONE reason for less drivers ON the toll road...

THAT would be STY...

Your trying to downplay the fact that OFTENTIMES cost effects consumption. You're so dedicated to your stupidity that you've taken to demeaning people who would choose to exercise their right not to consume.

 

[Bfgrn]

Your trying to downplay the fact that OFTENTIMES cost effects consumption. You're so dedicated to your stupidity that you've taken to demeaning people who would choose to exercise their right not to consume.

Here is STY's original statement:

late last year, the north texas transit authority raised the toll road fee from .75 to 1.00 to to make up for a budget shortfall. As the majority of us predicted would happen, less people used the toll roads, so the obvious end result was a decrease in revenue.

I never said use of the toll road would NOT decrease, I agree it will...you don't have to be scholar to figure that out...

BUT, to say "the obvious end result was a decrease in revenue" is a FALSE statement. It is not obvious, it requires proof of TWO things:

1) that ENOUGH people stopped using the road solely BECAUSE of the toll increase to create a loss of revenue.

2) that no OTHER factors exist that would cause motorists to stop using the toll road.

STY did NEITHER...thus, his argument is invalid...

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Here is STY's original statement:

late last year, the north texas transit authority raised the toll road fee from .75 to 1.00 to to make up for a budget shortfall. As the majority of us predicted would happen, less people used the toll roads, so the obvious end result was a decrease in revenue.

I never said use of the toll road would NOT decrease, I agree it will...you don't have to be scholar to figure that out...

BUT, to say "the obvious end result was a decrease in revenue" is a FALSE statement. It is not obvious, it requires proof of TWO things:

1) that ENOUGH people stopped using the road solely BECAUSE of the toll increase to create a loss of revenue.

2) that no OTHER factors exist that would cause motorists to stop using the toll road.

STY did NEITHER...thus, his argument is invalid...

Have you disproven them?

His statement is not known to be false until you do.