maineman
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it certainly will effect usage...but you have a tough time showing that the increase in tolls caused a decrease in revenue.
this is how government fails
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it certainly will effect usage...but you have a tough time showing that the increase in tolls caused a decrease in revenue.
Sammy Jankis
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Not when you factor in decreased usage due to higher rates, dickstick.
maineman
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again... show me how you determine how much of the decrease in usage is due to toll increase and how much is due to gas price increases. If the rate of usage decrease due to tolls going up is not as great as the rate of toll increase, then tolls are not to blame for revenue decline.
dipstick.
Sammy Jankis
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It's combination of influences fer shur. But it was your dicknutted friend boffergroin who went around trying to isolate it to one factor, appearing generally ignorant in the process.
Bfgrn
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Here's your math assignment...
Toll on road A is .75 per vehicle
Toll on road B is 1.00 per vehicle
Your revenue goal is $2,000 per day
How many vehicles per day will you need to collect tolls from on road A to achieve $2,000?
How many vehicles per day will you need to collect tolls from on road B to achieve $2,000?
Sammy Jankis
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I don't do assignments. You're the one who seemed to be unable to understand that price effects demand.
maineman
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so...you have no way of showing that the increase in tolls was responsible for any decrease in revenue?
thanks.
Sammy Jankis
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Only my knowledge of the general reality that higher prices reduce consumption, a dynamic your buddy boffergroin seemed ignorant of.
SmarterthanYou
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maineman
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higher prices do reduce consumption.
but if the percentage of the price increase is greater than the percentage of consumption decrease that can be directly attributable to raising tolls, then the tolls are not responsible for the revenue decrease. You would need to prove elasticity of demand for using toll roads in order to make your point.
Sammy Jankis
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Right. But boffergroin seems ignorant of the general econ 101 principles.
Sammy Jankis
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Conversely mm, Boffergroin must prove demand is completely inelastic to discount rate hikes as a reason for revenue loss.
maineman
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I disagree. It seems to me that he is disputing the contention by this thread's author that the toll increase is the sole cause of the revenue decrease... and I don't think that has been shown in any way.
maineman
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I don't think he did that... I think he is discounting rate hikes as the SOLE reason for revnue loss...
Sammy Jankis
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The article doesn't know the reason people do things. It;s probably a mix of factors, in reality.
Sammy Jankis
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See you turbo libs are trying to deny how markets works in your zeal to raise all kinds of rates and taxes.
Bottom line: Your reality only works in monopoly capitalism and no real choices.
Bottom line: Your reality only works in monopoly capitalism and no real choices.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
regardless of whether the decrease is solely on the fee increase (most likely) or gas prices (likely, but not as much), or a combo of both, it's pure idiocy to think that increasing the toll fee is going to make up for lost revenue when it drives people back to the public roadways.
bfgrn is just nit picking bullshit to try to prove me wrong.
bfgrn is just nit picking bullshit to try to prove me wrong.
Sammy Jankis
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No doubt. He's a transparently moronic nutsuck.
maineman
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it is only idiotic if you have data that shows conclusively that demand for toll road use is elastic in nature. I don't think you do.