wake up.
so if these are workable -why do you need even looser voting restrictions?
The U.S. needs a democracy overhaul. Here’s what Biden’s first step should be.
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so if these are workable -why do you need even looser voting restrictions?
BidenPresident
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don't troll my threads
they do indeed "work".. can you say ballot harvesting??
I am discussing your OP and the claim we need more voter access -how is this trolling
BidenPresident
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You made a personal attack, aka, trolling.
Eagle_Eye
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And you are truly a BIG STATE ELITIST! So you like the Idea of a few states dictating who the president shall be to the other states (That is mob rule). Our system is so broke that in over 240 years the winner didn't win the popular vote 5 repeat 5 whole times
And butt holes want to change a system that clearly works!
Reductio ad absurdum.
Let's use a factual historical example of disenfranchisement:
During the Reconstruction period of 1865–1877 in the defeated South (the Confederacy), federal law protected the civil rights of "freedmen" — the liberated African slaves. In the 1870s, white DEMOCRATS gradually returned to power in southern states, sometimes as a result of elections in which paramilitary groups intimidated opponents, attacking blacks or preventing them from voting.[2] Gubernatorial elections were close and disputed in Louisiana for years, with extreme violence unleashed during the campaign. In 1877 a national compromise to gain southern support in the presidential election resulted in the last of the federal troops being withdrawn from the South. White DEMOCRATS had taken back power in every state. This was followed, in each Southern state, by a white, DEMOCRAT Party Redeemer government that legislated Jim Crow laws segregating black people from the state's population.
Blacks were still elected to local offices in the 1880s, but the white DEMOCRATS were passing laws to make voter registration and elections more restrictive, with the result that participation by most blacks and many poor whites began to decrease. Starting with Mississippi in 1890, through 1910 the former Confederate states passed new constitutions or amendments that effectively disfranchised most blacks and tens of thousands of poor whites through a combination of poll taxes, literacy and comprehension tests, and residency and record-keeping requirements. Grandfather clauses temporarily permitted some illiterate whites to vote. Voter turnout dropped drastically through the South as a result of such measures.
Denied the ability to vote, blacks and poor whites could not serve on juries or in local office. They could not influence the state legislatures, and, predictably, their interests were overlooked. While public schools had been established by Reconstruction legislatures, those for black children were consistently underfunded, even within the strained finances of the South. The decreasing price of cotton kept the agricultural economy at a low.
In some cases Progressive measures to reduce election fraud acted against black and poor white voters who were illiterate. While the separation of African Americans from the general population was becoming legalized and formalized in the Progressive Era (1890s–1920s), it was also becoming customary. Even in cases in which Jim Crow laws did not expressly forbid black people to participate, for instance, sports or recreation or church services, the laws shaped a segregated culture.
In the Jim Crow context, the Presidential election of 1912 was steeply slanted against the interests of Black Americans. Most blacks were still in the South, where they had been effectively disfranchised, so they could not vote at all. Poll taxes and literacy requirements banned many Americans from voting, yet, said requirements had loopholes exempting White Americans from these paying the poll tax or knowing how to read. For example, in Oklahoma, anyone qualified to vote before 1866, or who is related to someone qualified to vote before 1866, was exempted from the literacy requirement; the only Americans who could vote before 1866 were, of course, White Americans, so White Americans were exempted from the literacy requirement, while all Black Americans were segregated by law.
https://www.history.com/topics/us-politics/democratic-party
You are right, Harris would be better.
BidenPresident
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To enemies of democracy like yourself, the people are always an unruly mob.
So it's just a coincidence?
T. A. Gardner
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Simple. If you have a large group of people that can be described as a "mob."
If that group decides things by simple majority vote that's direct democracy.
Hence, mob rule.
How would you describe a simple majority rule popular vote?
BartenderElite
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No, it isn't.
Governors aren't elected by mob rule. Mayor's aren't.
The Senate & House ensure full representation. Popular vote is just another means of electing a President. It's not mob rule.
BidenPresident
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It is ironic that people attacking democracy are the same ones attacking elitism. Go figure.
BidenPresident
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Many Americans simply do not like democracy. Conservatives are especially contemptuous of their fellow citizens.
T. A. Gardner
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Why? Because you say so? I gave the definition of a "mob." Words have meaning. If it isn't mob rule then how are they elected? Divine intervention? Drawing straws? Enine, meanie, miney, mo?
BidenPresident
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Your "mob" thing is tiresome. You just hate democracy.
T. A. Gardner
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No, not particularly, but I do know I can defend my position on it, unlike you who offers up nothing substantive in defense of your position.