The Science Is Very Clear: Schools Should Reopen This Fall

Darth Omar said:
It’s a novel virus so we don’t know enough about the virus and kids but we know herd immunity is out lol?

This late in the game, I think we know enough to say kids are resistant to it. Kids aren’t some sort of black hole we know nothing about—they are part of our population; they go around with their parents; they’ve even been sequestered with infected people. They just don’t get the COVID often and when they do their symptoms are almost always mild to nearly non-existent.

It can’t be that we have all this data on deaths from COVID and somehow *we’re not knowing* the risks for kids—apart from anecdotes, kids are absent from the data.

And speaking of what we don’t know: we don’t know the downstream effects of having kids out of school for multiple semesters. Apart from only being partially educated nearly all instances they are being separated from their peers and missing out on social development. Older kids in particular, will likely be susceptible to substance abuse since they have so much idle time on their hands. They are being deprived of sports and extracurricular activities.

How many of their parents will be forced to quit a job since they can’t afford to pay child care 12 months out of the year. Parents rely on schools to ‘watch their kids’ so they can be free to work. It’s been the American way for generations. That will effect women, primarily.

Too much of this mitigation looks ONLY at the virus and not at the unintended consequences of the mitigation itself and the country has paid a hefty price for it. Millions have lost their jobs, many businesses will and never come back. Trust me when I say we are only beginning to see the social costs to all of that.

Time to stop the bleeding. Let the kids go back to school. No more gambling with and/or playing political games with their lives and futures.
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You do understand that you are too fact based for 59% these fucks here and too logic based for 74%...RIGHT?
 
Random blogs are a wasteland when they are political. So basically, the science is so far from clear that insinuating it is takes your credibility down to none.
 
crowonapost said:
In bold is the biggest takeaway here. Without a coordinated plan to keep track and limit exposure we are doomed to become a crippled nation while the rest of the world picks themselves back up. This is the most disturbing trend developing as this pandemic ramps up in the United States.
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The issue is the length of time it takes to get test results. My nurse GF tested positive back in May. She had an average head cold for 3 days. Her results came back in 2 days. I immediately got tested. With no symptoms, and taking the necessary precautions while in public (I was supposed to quarantine), it took them 7 days to tell me I was negative.

I pulled off of a job I was on, telling the customer that I was waiting for my test results. I only went out when I had to, but I didn't quarantine.

Imagine how many people I could have infected if I didn't follow simple precautions, and refused to semi quarantine?
 
Darth Omar said:
So F* the kids and their education on the off-chance 3 teachers out of millions might get the COVID? Really?

Trust me, I don’t care what the polls say, Democrats are going to lose on this.
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Democrats aren't going to be losing on ANYTHING for quite some time. Trust me.
 
crowonapost said:
Coordinated lock down works. We did it here in Illinois and we were one of the best at dealing with this... so far.
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coordinated on the STATE level not the national level you were talkng about

There will be no herd immunity. The new studies are showing that one cannot get lasting antibodies from this. At the most you got maybe 3 months. Then you can get re infected.
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ridicuous. once the body is exposed to any virus it develops sero-antibodies.
Of course they "fade" as the infection fades -but the traces- or the ability of cells to now recognize
the next infection still remain in the cells -this is common for any infection. COVID is no different
 
open/close is not a decision made in a vacuum. Closing has all kinds of side effects,and not just learning

parents cant go back to work
kids become anxious and depressed
they dont get socialization skills
20-50% of kids dont log on regularly -especially poor and minority

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stagger school times and practice social distancing
 
Walt said:
I agree that online education does not work as well. But it certainly works very well in containing the disease. New Zealand communicates a lot with the rest of the world online, and has not been getting the disease.

The problem is the same people who demand we open everything up are the people we can least trust not to spread the disease.
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Online ed. in my limited experience since, (spring semester for kids canceled) punts it to the parents, but it is better
by far than nothing, because it kept us focused on a schedule of assignments to make the boy do, be it reading, math or art
each day. Without the lesson plan and teacher interaction we would not have made him do that regular work.

So it isn't optimal, but its certainly not a waste like some here are saying. And you still get to compare how you child is doing with other children.
 
So, let's see, our resident Coronavirus genius has decided that:

a) It's a novel virus so we don't know much about it yet and
b) He knows EVERYTHING about it.

LOL. If kids are so resistant to the virus, then why are 1 in 3 kids in the Miami area testing positive for it. I am all in favor of opening schools, but it has to be done in a careful and measured manner. The statistic about kids getting infected should be incredibly alarming if those kids are asymptomatic and head into the classroom, it's a recipe for disaster. IMHO, schools can't reopen successfully unless rapid testing is in place, and of course the Trump administration has no interest in that because, you know, it will create more cases and the idiot in the White House can't have that.

Parents are nervous, and rightfully so. If it can't be demonstrated that this is a safe approach, they won't send their kids. And when the white house press secretary says that science won't stand in the way of opening schools, there are going to be LOTS of nervous parents. No one trusts this Administration, and it is having a devastating impact on both the economy and on the fight against the virus.
 
Stretch said:
German study finds low Covid-19 infection rate in schools

Tests of pupils and teachers in Saxony suggest children may act as brake on infection

Reuters in Berlin

Mon 13 Jul 2020 10.31 EDT
Last modified on Mon 13 Jul 2020 15.30 EDT

Germany began reopening schools in May.

Very few of 2,000 schoolchildren and teachers tested in the German state of Saxony showed antibodies to Covid-19, a study has found, suggesting schools may not play as big a role in spreading the virus as some had feared.

Germany began reopening schools in May, though debate continues as to the role children may play in spreading the virus to vulnerable adults at home as well as to older teachers and school staff.

The study by the University hospital in Dresden analysed blood samples from almost 1,500 children aged between 14 and 18 and 500 teachers from 13 schools in Dresden and the districts of Bautzen and Görlitz in May and June.

The largest study conducted in Germany on schoolchildren and teachers included testing in schools where there were coronavirus outbreaks.

Of the almost 2,000 samples, only 12 had antibodies, said Reinhard Berner , a professor of paediatrics at the hospital, adding that the first results gave no evidence that schoolchildren played a role in spreading the virus particularly quickly.

“Children may even act as a brake on infection,” Berner told a news conference, saying infections in schools had not led to an outbreak, while the spread of the virus within households was also less dynamic than previously thought.

Saxony’s education minister, Christian Piwarz, said the study showed schools in the state could reopen as normal after the summer holiday at the end of August – but with some conditions, such as mask wearing and social distancing where possible.

Berner said the study was representative for the state of Saxony, which has a relatively low rate of infection compared with other parts of Germany.

For other states with low infection rates, the study suggests schools could be reopened without causing widespread outbreaks of the virus, he said.

A separate study of blood donors found antibodies against Covid-19 in only 1.3% of 12,000 samples, the president of the Robert Koch Institute for public health, Prof Lothar Wieler, said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/german-study-covid-19-infection-rate-schools-saxony
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The states in America that had low infection rates chose to ignore guidelines. We are now the center of this pandemic. German studies do not apply here.
 
Micawber said:
Democrats aren't going to be losing on ANYTHING for quite some time. Trust me.
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They don't believe scientists, there is no reason they've believe polls. This is going to be a wipeout. Think about what's likely to happen by November. Trump may have been indicted by NY. The back to school effort is likely to be a debacle because of the lack of good testing. We will, by then have seen hospitals overrun in multiple states, that's just weeks away, maybe less at this point. The death toll will be a quarter of a million, and the economy will be absolutely floundering. And the blame will go almost exclusively to Republicans Governors and Trump. June economic reports were good. They were good of course because the reopening was going on and the bodies hadn't hit the floor yet. July numbers are going to be much worse. Good luck running on all that.
 
Althea said:
Europe is not America. They have intelligent leaders who shut down when the numbers spiked.
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Correct. The situations are not close to equivalent. I'd also add that they opened schools with something similar to CDC guidelines, which the Administration (and therefore Republican states) will simply ignore. They carefully and systematically beat down the virus and carefully reopened. We flung open the doors and hit the accelerator. it worked. For about two weeks. Then we hit the brick wall at 90 mph.
 
Concart said:
So, let's see, our resident Coronavirus genius has decided that:

a) It's a novel virus so we don't know much about it yet and
b) He knows EVERYTHING about it.

LOL. If kids are so resistant to the virus, then why are 1 in 3 kids in the Miami area testing positive for it. I am all in favor of opening schools, but it has to be done in a careful and measured manner. The statistic about kids getting infected should be incredibly alarming if those kids are asymptomatic and head into the classroom, it's a recipe for disaster. IMHO, schools can't reopen successfully unless rapid testing is in place, and of course the Trump administration has no interest in that because, you know, it will create more cases and the idiot in the White House can't have that.

Parents are nervous, and rightfully so. If it can't be demonstrated that this is a safe approach, they won't send their kids. And when the white house press secretary says that science won't stand in the way of opening schools, there are going to be LOTS of nervous parents. No one trusts this Administration, and it is having a devastating impact on both the economy and on the fight against the virus.
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God you're such a fucking idiot!! Who said kids don't get the virus ffs? The facts bear testimony that they are almost always asymptomatic and do not pass the virus on.
 
Grajonca said:
God you're such a fucking idiot!! Who said kids don't get the virus ffs? The facts bear testimony that they are almost always asymptomatic and do not pass the virus on.
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Concunt, don't bother answering as I've had up to here with worthless ignorant cunts!
 
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