The Science Is Very Clear: Schools Should Reopen This Fall

How about if they don't open, teachers DON'T GET PAID!

Why the fuck should they get paid if they aren't going to work?
 
Darth Omar said:
Healthcare workers and [I’ll spare the list] have NEVER stopped working throughout this. Please explain why teachers are special.
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Didn't you claim to be a healthcare worker who stopped working? Am I confusing you with another healthcare worker who stopped working?

Some healthcare workers kept working because they could not just shutdown. Others did stop working, because those parts of the healthcare system could just shutdown. It is not like you can shutdown an emergency room for an entire summer. Can you shutdown a school for an entire summer?
 
Walt said:
Yes, it is.




There is not sound scientific evidence on either side. So you say just chance it?
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Teachers don't feel safe. I don't feel safe leaving my kid with teachers who are scared and not happy to be working with my son.

I have already arranged for a tutor. Back yard visits. I have a touchless forehead thermometer and a blood oxygen finger doohicky :)
Living safe.
 
Darth Omar said:
Doesn’t cut and I take the ‘61 as a white flag, just so you know.

What does the science say? Show me studies where COVID poses a *statistically significant* threat to children.
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Start a thread. I'm still waiting for the science to appear in this one.
 
jacksonsprat22 said:
Even even transmission rates among children is extremely low, teachers can get covid19 from them. Seriously, you need this explained?!
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So F* the kids and their education on the off-chance 3 teachers out of millions might get the COVID? Really?

Trust me, I don’t care what the polls say, Democrats are going to lose on this.
 
Darth Omar said:
Google the rate of COVID transmission from kids to adults—and post it.
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We do not have contact tracing in America, so we have no way of knowing almost anything about who is giving Covid-19 to who in America. So we come back to the question of what do we do when we simply do not know? You say risk it, but I am not so sure. America's been failing a lot with trump, and I am not in a risk lives on your and his gut feelings mood right now.

Foreign studies are telling us very different things depending on the country. Northern European countries with few intergenerational households say there are little chance of getting Covid-19 from children. Southern European countries with many intergenerational households seem to have better chances of getting Covid-19 from children. And then there are third world countries with no universal healthcare that are seeing actual deaths among children.

We have no universal healthcare, but I am unsure how intergenerational our households are.
 
Darth Omar said:
So F* the kids and their education on the off-chance 3 teachers out of millions might get the COVID? Really?

Trust me, I don’t care what the polls say, Democrats are going to lose on this.
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Do you even know they're already doing distance (internet) teaching? You really don't know what is going on.
 
Micawber said:
Teachers don't feel safe. I don't feel safe leaving my kid with teachers who are scared and not happy to be working with my son.
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Well Darth says until you can prove that opening schools is an absolute mistake, why not just take a chance and see. What do you have to lose, other than your child's life? And on the bright side, if it does turn out to be a huge mistake, well then we will have the strong proof Darth demands before he will start caring.
 
Darth Omar said:
If you want to argue schools should be closed you need science to back it.

When did lefties start running from science?
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No. You don't necessarily need science. In fact, thanks to Red state governors, we have plenty of data that illustrates the danger of ignoring this virus. If you want to make the case that science proves that it's safe to ignore common sense preventive measures, you should at least have science at the ready.
 
Walt said:
Well Darth says until you can prove that opening schools is an absolute mistake, why not just take a chance and see. What do you have to lose, other than your child's life? And on the bright side, if it does turn out to be a huge mistake, well then we will have the strong proof Darth demands before he will start caring.
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He made the same case on Memorial Day. How did that work out?
 
Darth Omar said:
So F* the kids and their education on the off-chance 3 teachers out of millions might get the COVID? Really?

Trust me, I don’t care what the polls say, Democrats are going to lose on this.
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So you don't care what the studies say, the Democrats are going to lose it. But you claim to know how much teachers will die, without any studies. And you need complete studies, before you will not risk a wide outbreak.

You are all over the map on this.
 
Irish said:
Doesn't work as well, or at all really.
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I agree that online education does not work as well. But it certainly works very well in containing the disease. New Zealand communicates a lot with the rest of the world online, and has not been getting the disease.

The problem is the same people who demand we open everything up are the people we can least trust not to spread the disease.
 
Darth Omar said:
No outliers and anecdotes.

What are the statistics with kids and COVID? What do the statistics say about transmission from kids to adults?
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So far because of it's novel nature it is still not fully known. It hasn't been around long enough to gather those statistics.

Example here from NPR, https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...-kids-less-likely-to-catch-it-than-adults-are
"It does seem that kids are less affected than adults. But I think their role in community spread is still somewhat untested," she says. Around the world from Abuja to Aruba to Arkansas, schools were shut down in the early stages of the outbreaks. "So we don't know how things are going to change if that variable is back in play."
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Another example of a rather limited scope of data at this point. From the Scientist.
“We don’t get CT scans on anyone, unless it’s clinically indicated,” says Marion Sills, a pediatric emergency physician and researcher at Children’s Hospital Colorado who did not participate in the work. The subjects in the study got three CT scans, which makes it harder to generalize those results to the patients Sills has seen.

Plus, the study’s age ranges “eliminated the sickest group that we’ve identified” in the US, Sills says. “The later teens, who fall within our pediatric population, have been some of our sickest patients,” she explains, adding that the authors may have missed sicker babies younger than one month as well. The authors did not respond to requests for an interview.
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One cannot say with statistical accuracy how much kids can carry or spread it. There are issues of focus of tests being on those most sick. On the general mild nature of it's effects limiting the focus on gathering those statistics but if there is one common thread regardless many can carry it and if not contained, it can build in severity and as more mature bodies have the type of receptor cells and co-morbidities the larger chance of latching onto adults around others that may be carriers regardless of age.
 
Althea said:
And it makes a vaccine harder to achieve.
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That may or may not be a factor honestly. There are a lot of similarities to SARS. I can't speak on things I don't know. There are many avenues to possibly dealing with this and one ironically may be ivermectin the same heartworm med we give our dogs and horses, lol. Promising studies are showing that taking ivermectin at the early stages greatly reduced the effects of Covid.
 
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