The Mamdani Moments

[Ross Dolan]

Let's look at this from another angle:

If you were filthy rich would you, right now, consider purchasing a high-end, luxury apartment, condo, penthouse, or other second home in NYC? How about New York state? If you were a developer / builder would you be considering building such luxury homes for sale in the near future there?

If you already owned such a home, would you be carefully considering options to avoid the new taxes?

Since New York and NYC base many of these taxes on estimated selling price, would you be hiring a law firm specializing in litigating property taxes and assessments if you weren't doing that already?

Additionally, will any of these taxes bring a ROI to the state or city of New York? Or will they simply be gobbled up in Socialist welfare handouts, and bureaucratic paperwork?

What will the government of NYC and NY state do if their projected net tax intake from these falls far short of projections? Will Mamdani and Hochel just lower the bar on what is included, say from $5 million to $1 million or something like that? Or will they just come up with another new thing to tax?

Neither Mamdani or Hochel are looking at any sort of investment or draw to attract new money to NY or NYC. Instead they are doing what Detroit, as but one example, did and slowly killing off their goose that lays golden eggs.

All you have to do is to answer my question, TA.

Here it is again:

Right now, the top 1% own one-third of the total wealth of America and the total 10% own two-thirds of the total wealth of America...with the bottom 50% owning only 2.5%. How much would the top 1% have to own before you consider that something has to be done to remediate the situation...and how much would the top 10% have to own before you consider that something has to be done to remediate the situation?

Would you still stick with your bullshit if the top 1% own 75% of the total wealth? How about if the top 1% owned 99%? Or what if the top 10% owned those percentages?

WHY WILL YOU NOT ANSWER THAT?

 

[Lionfish]

Typical magat intellectual dishonesty. Here's what went down: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/threads/the-mamdani-moments.247601/post-6973587

Instead of just conceding a point, you change the focus of your claim. But let me further prove your blather. China is a pure communist country that I wouldn't want to live under .... but they are a world power to be reckoned with. Cuba has been under economic siege for over 40 years, and is now under military blockade by America. Dump and company can do that because there is no longer a threat from a USSR, and China couldn't give a damn. North Korea is more of a dictatorship under the premise of communism (IMHO, of course), Laos is another authoritarian government, and Vietnam is hard line communist posing a socialist, but seem to be having a positive economic surge, all though I sure as hell wouldn't want to live there.

So, back to square one; Mamdani has classified himself as a democratic socialist like Bernie Saunders. Like the countries I previously listed, that brand of gov't can work. You just don't like it, despite NOT being part of the inherent or top tier investor wealthy class. GTFU and deal with reality.

What you fail to understand is the fact that pure socialist countries are actually communist. Socialism exists in most forms of government but when it comes to the point where people look to the government for the solution to everything, things fall apart.
Lefties think "democratic socialism" is the answer to everything.
Well, it is being tried in some major cities in this country, and so far, it has been a major flop.

 

[Lionfish]

Analysts and watchdogs warn this is classic fiscal gimmickry - delaying real problems instead of solving them. High earners continue fleeing New York due to taxes and policies, making future shortfalls even worse.
This is textbook socialist budgeting: spend now, gimmick the numbers, and hope someone else pays the bill later. New Yorkers and state taxpayers will ultimately foot the cost when the temporary fixes run out and reality catches up.
The only reason I even bother to pay attention to this guy is because we all know what a colossal failure him and his policies will prove to be. We are sure of it. What's worth watching is if the people there will learn from it, or stay on the same crazy path. I'm betting on the latter, saldy...

 

[Lionfish]

There is no idea bad enough that Dumocrats won't jump at the opportunity first chance they get. This is a prime example of thaT. The ink isn’t even dry on New York City’s proposed pied-à-terre tax - and one Miami Beach tower is already counting the money.
At the Perigon Miami Beach, a 72-unit oceanfront condominium in Mid-Beach designed by Pritzker Prize-winning architect Rem Koolhaas’s firm OMA, developers say they logged more than $70 million in sales from New York buyers in the 30 days after the building reached its full structural height in early March.
It is no coincidence, on April 15, Mayor Zohran Mamdani and Governor Kathy Hochul jointly announced an annual surcharge on secondary homes in New York City valued above $5 million, targeting owners whose primary residence is elsewhere.
The city says it expects to raise $500 million a year. What nobody in Albany or City Hall seems to have accounted for is what happens south of the Mason-Dixon line when that kind of news lands.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Into the Night]

Translation: another magat bites the dust.

Magat isn't a word, Libby.

 

[Into the Night]

Translation: failed magats pointing the finger at each other.

Magats isn't a word, Libby.

 

[Into the Night]

Off topic, as there are no communistic laws or proposals being discussed on this thread's topic.

Lie. Denial.

And your accusations were factually and logically debunked. So you can stubbornly squawk your blather all you want, as it's irrelevant.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Buzzword fallacies (fact, logic, debunk, irrelevance).
Assumption of victory fallacy. Fallacy fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Translation: another false assertion by a defeated magat parrot.

Projection. Bye chump.

And Sqauwkie lies about content of what debunks his assertions, thinking his opinions, supposition a conjecture are in par with valid sourced facts. Then he gets on his "fallacy" tricycle. He's done.

Argument of the Stone fallacies. Denial of logic. Magat is not a word. Assumption of victory fallacy. Buzzword fallacies (debunk, opinion, supposition, conjecture, source, fact). Cliche fallacies.

 

[Into the Night]

Last time I checked: Sweden, Spain, Ireland, Denmark, Armenia, Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium, Croatia, Scandinavia.

And let's not forget the socialized medical system of Germany, France, Japan England and Canada.

Random list. YARP.

Socialized medicine is VERY expensive for what you get (if you can get it at all!). TANSTAAFL.
Pointing to Canada is particularly hilarious! Their socialized medical care is a basket case. A great example of why communism doesn't work!

In addition to paying through the nose for healthcare they never receive, they have to resort to buying medical care through private doctors there or travel to the United States to get it.

 

[Into the Night]

All you're doing is just regurgitating your opinions, disproved assertions, supposition and conjecture.... all that have been previously addressed in the chronology of the posts. Repetition does not a truism make, but your baby Goebbels act is all you magats have. I just enjoy exposing your ilk for what it truly is. Carry on.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Denial of history. Magats is not a word. Inversion fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

You are nuts, TA.

Sorry about that, but you are.

If we, as a nation, can get past people like you, we may get back to being a great nation...or at least a decent one.

Mantra 1d. Lame.
Communism isn't greatness. It's theft.

 

[Into the Night]

So all you've got is magat wishful thinking for things to fail.

Communism always fails.
Democrat run cities are hellholes. New York City is no exception.
Magat isn't a word.

You don't give a damn about others so long as you "own the libs"

Inversion fallacy.

because the status quo ain't cutting it.

Irrelevance cliche. Assumption of victory fallacy.

So much for post #2 and your subsequent blather. And look ar post #120 regarding socialism. Stop being a stubborn doormat and water carrier for the 1%.

Assumption of victory fallacy. Denial of history. Bigotry.

 

[Into the Night]

Let's look at this from another angle:

If you were filthy rich would you, right now, consider purchasing a high-end, luxury apartment, condo, penthouse, or other second home in NYC? How about New York state? If you were a developer / builder would you be considering building such luxury homes for sale in the near future there?

If you already owned such a home, would you be carefully considering options to avoid the new taxes?

Since New York and NYC base many of these taxes on estimated selling price, would you be hiring a law firm specializing in litigating property taxes and assessments if you weren't doing that already?

Additionally, will any of these taxes bring a ROI to the state or city of New York? Or will they simply be gobbled up in Socialist welfare handouts, and bureaucratic paperwork?

What will the government of NYC and NY state do if their projected net tax intake from these falls far short of projections? Will Mamdani and Hochel just lower the bar on what is included, say from $5 million to $1 million or something like that? Or will they just come up with another new thing to tax?

Neither Mamdani or Hochel are looking at any sort of investment or draw to attract new money to NY or NYC. Instead they are doing what Detroit, as but one example, did and slowly killing off their goose that lays golden eggs.

Nice try, but he's poor and doesn't understand these questions at all.

 

[Into the Night]

Typical magat intellectual dishonesty. Here's what went down: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/threads/the-mamdani-moments.247601/post-6973587

Instead of just conceding a point, you change the focus of your claim. But let me further prove your blather. China is a pure communist country that I wouldn't want to live under .... but they are a world power to be reckoned with. Cuba has been under economic siege for over 40 years, and is now under military blockade by America. Dump and company can do that because there is no longer a threat from a USSR, and China couldn't give a damn. North Korea is more of a dictatorship under the premise of communism (IMHO, of course), Laos is another authoritarian government, and Vietnam is hard line communist posing a socialist, but seem to be having a positive economic surge, all though I sure as hell wouldn't want to live there.

Communism isn't a type of government, Libby.

China is under tremendous economic stress right now. Currency velocity is almost nil and has been for years. What little capitalism that is in China right now is being strangled by the government. They currently have a debt to GDP ratio of over 300%. People with any wealth at all are getting out of China by hook or crook. They are fleeing, and taking what wealth they can with them.

Their economic miracle is coming to an end.

That miracle occurred by allowing capitalism.

So, back to square one; Mamdani has classified himself as a democratic socialist like Bernie Saunders. Like the countries I previously listed, that brand of gov't can work. You just don't like it, despite NOT being part of the inherent or top tier investor wealthy class. GTFU and deal with reality.

Communism doesn't work. It is based on theft. When it runs out of places to steal from, it fails. Bigotry. Buzzword fallacy (reality).
Communism is not a form of government.

 

[Into the Night]

You've already played this card, and each time it gets debunked with contrary facts from valid sources.

Buzzword fallacy (debunk, fact, source). Cliche fallacy. Assumption of victory fallacy. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

First you parroted the narrative of the start of a steady job exodus via corporate & business owners. That was proved false. So now it's just wishful thinking for things to fail .. which is kind of messed up.

Argument of the Stone fallacy. Denial. Assumption of victory fallacy. It is ALREADY failing.

The status quo wasn't working for working NYC dwellers. That a partial step in the right direction THAT DOES NO DAMAGE TO THE WEALTHY upsets water carrying dupes like you is just absurd.

Buzzword fallacy (status quo). Cliche fallacies.

Stealing from the wealthy is not damage to the wealthy??
Guess WHY they are fleeing!

 

[Into the Night]

All you have to do is to answer my question, TA.

RQAA

Here it is again:

Right now, the top 1% own one-third of the total wealth of America and the total 10% own two-thirds of the total wealth of America...with the bottom 50% owning only 2.5%.

Argument from randU fallacy. Random numbers are not data.

How much would the top 1% have to own before you consider that something has to be done to remediate the situation...and how much would the top 10% have to own before you consider that something has to be done to remediate the situation?

Void argument fallacy. What 'situation'?

Would you still stick with your bullshit if the top 1% own 75% of the total wealth? How about if the top 1% owned 99%? Or what if the top 10% owned those percentages?

WHY WILL YOU NOT ANSWER THAT?

So your 'solution' is theft.
Attempted proof by contrivance.

 

[Lionfish]

All you have to do is to answer my question, TA.

Here it is again:

Right now, the top 1% own one-third of the total wealth of America and the total 10% own two-thirds of the total wealth of America...with the bottom 50% owning only 2.5%. How much would the top 1% have to own before you consider that something has to be done to remediate the situation...and how much would the top 10% have to own before you consider that something has to be done to remediate the situation?

Would you still stick with your bullshit if the top 1% own 75% of the total wealth? How about if the top 1% owned 99%? Or what if the top 10% owned those percentages?

WHY WILL YOU NOT ANSWER THAT?

Get a better job frankie.

 

[Taichiliberal]

What you fail to understand is the fact that pure socialist countries are actually communist. Socialism exists in most forms of government but when it comes to the point where people look to the government for the solution to everything, things fall apart.
Lefties think "democratic socialism" is the answer to everything.
Well, it is being tried in some major cities in this country, and so far, it has been a major flop.

The first sentence of the Lying Fish's says it all ... his personal ideology takes precedence over historical fact and current reality. The chronology of the posts shows valid documentation that debunks his revisionist clap trap. But like his Cheeto Jeezus, he can NEVER concede a point or actually error. He just parrots different versions of his absurd propaganda.

Once I expose these maga doormats for the lame wannabe Goebbels they are, I just sit back and watch them sputter and fume before I put them back on "ignore" for awhile.