The jury finds her quilty

Dutch Uncle said:
Yes they are people. Do you propose using farm animals instead? Computers? Computers are programmed by people. ;)

The appeals process is to catch mistakes such as the ones you mentioned.
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There is no appeals process when the murderer is let go, or never indicted.
 
Althea said:
There is no appeals process when the murderer is let go, or never indicted.
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Correct. Blackstone's Ratio applies. This is why prosecutors don't like going after cases they know they'll probably lose due to a lack of evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

Example: Zimmerman trial. All the evidence pointed to Zimmerman being assualted as he stated. SYG applied. However, due to heightened race baiting and political wedge issues, even POTUS took sides based on race. The prosecution was not only pressured to charge Zimmerman, but charge him with the maximum the evidence could allow. Obviously the state lost due to lack of evidence which, to those who can look outside their prejudices could see was a fucking foregone conclusion. Even if the jury was biased and convicted him based on racial politics, the appeals process would have seen him exonerated.

The irony? Zimmerman was a Hispanic Democrat.** :laugh:

The two main problems I see with both cases is:

1) Too much emphasis on Race before applying the Law
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2) The laws are adequate but enforcement is irregular. Why?


** https://www.ibtimes.com/voting-form...ed-democrat-confounding-message-pushed-430738
George Zimmerman, the man who set off a nationwide furor when he shot unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin to death in Florida on Feb. 26, is a registered Democrat and self-identified Hispanic, according to a state document released on Tuesday.

Zimmerman's state voter registration document shows that the 28-year-old registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in 2002. Zimmerman apparently went on to identify himself as a Hispanic American, according to the document, which was released Tuesday by the Washington Free Beacon.

The revelations on the voter form confound the message pushed by some observers on the left, who contend that Zimmerman was motivated by right-wing attitudes and the actions of conservatives:

"[Republican politicians] reinforce and validate old stereotypes that associate the poor and welfare as criminal behavior with African-Americans and people of color, calling us lazy, undeserving recipients of public assistance. In the case of Trayvon, those festering stereotypes had lethal consequences," MSNBC political analyst and Democratic fundraiser Karen Finney has said, condensing many of the left's argument about how the right has contributed to the mindset that led to Trayvon Martin's death.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Correct. Blackstone's Ratio applies. This is why prosecutors don't like going after cases they know they'll probably lose due to a lack of evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

Example: Zimmerman trial. All the evidence pointed to Zimmerman being assualted as he stated. SYG applied. However, due to heightened race baiting and political wedge issues, even POTUS took sides based on race. The prosecution was not only pressured to charge Zimmerman, but charge him with the maximum the evidence could allow. Obviously the state lost due to lack of evidence which, to those who can look outside their prejudices could see was a fucking foregone conclusion. Even if the jury was biased and convicted him based on racial politics, the appeals process would have seen him exonerated.

The irony? Zimmerman was a Hispanic Democrat.** :laugh:

The two main problems I see with both cases is:

1) Too much emphasis on Race before applying the Law
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2) The laws are adequate but enforcement is irregular. Why?


** https://www.ibtimes.com/voting-form...ed-democrat-confounding-message-pushed-430738
George Zimmerman, the man who set off a nationwide furor when he shot unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin to death in Florida on Feb. 26, is a registered Democrat and self-identified Hispanic, according to a state document released on Tuesday.

Zimmerman's state voter registration document shows that the 28-year-old registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in 2002. Zimmerman apparently went on to identify himself as a Hispanic American, according to the document, which was released Tuesday by the Washington Free Beacon.

The revelations on the voter form confound the message pushed by some observers on the left, who contend that Zimmerman was motivated by right-wing attitudes and the actions of conservatives:

"[Republican politicians] reinforce and validate old stereotypes that associate the poor and welfare as criminal behavior with African-Americans and people of color, calling us lazy, undeserving recipients of public assistance. In the case of Trayvon, those festering stereotypes had lethal consequences," MSNBC political analyst and Democratic fundraiser Karen Finney has said, condensing many of the left's argument about how the right has contributed to the mindset that led to Trayvon Martin's death.
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LMFAO (not at you) Zimmerman was attacked like Rittenhouse was attacked. Zimmerman, like Rittenhouse, went hunting. You don't get to start an altercation and then claim self defense.

Zimmerman jury was tainted, just as the one for the murderous cop who killed Castille was. Glaring evidence that Castille was murdered.
 
Althea said:
LMFAO (not at you) Zimmerman was attacked like Rittenhouse was attacked. Zimmerman, like Rittenhouse, went hunting. You don't get to start an altercation and then claim self defense.

Zimmerman jury was tainted, just as the one for the murderous cop who killed Castille was. Glaring evidence that Castille was murdered.
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Zimmerman didn't start the altercation. He was an idiot who ran into another idiot at night...just like the Rittenhouse case.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Zimmerman didn't start the altercation. He was an idiot who ran into another idiot at night...just like the Rittenhouse case.
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How do you explain Zimmerman stalking Martin in between buildings? Of course he started the the altercation. Listen to the 911 call. He was specifically instructed NOT TO PURSUE Martin.
 
Althea said:
How do you explain Zimmerman stalking Martin in between buildings? Of course he started the the altercation. Listen to the 911 call. He was specifically instructed NOT TO PURSUE Martin.
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Stalking is a crime. Why wasn't Zimmerman charged?
 
Althea said:
LMFAO (not at you) Zimmerman was attacked like Rittenhouse was attacked. Zimmerman, like Rittenhouse, went hunting. You don't get to start an altercation and then claim self defense.

Zimmerman jury was tainted, just as the one for the murderous cop who killed Castille was. Glaring evidence that Castille was murdered.
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Dutch Uncle said:
Zimmerman didn't start the altercation. He was an idiot who ran into another idiot at night...just like the Rittenhouse case.
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Althea said:
How do you explain Zimmerman stalking Martin in between buildings? Of course he started the the altercation. Listen to the 911 call. He was specifically instructed NOT TO PURSUE Martin.
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Dutch Uncle said:
Stalking is a crime. Why wasn't Zimmerman charged?
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Oh God.

Are we going to relitigate that business again????? :palm:

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek::shock::wall:
 
Nomad said:
Oh God.

Are we going to relitigate that business again????? :palm:

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek::shock::wall:
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It began with a commentary about the flaws in the justice system. As if there haven't been thousands of mishandled cases over the decades.
 
Althea said:
Probably the same reason the cop who murdered Castille walked. Some questions are doomed to remain unanswered.

Like why OJ had to wear latex when trying on his own bloody glove.
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Double jeopardy protects people but it doesn't protect a person who was never charged. There's also no statute of limitations on murder.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
So what happened with Potter?
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As I said at the beginning of this curve in the road, I think the entire state is acting to correct the ills of Castille, and send a message to future Chauvins in the state. She paid the price.

She was certainly guilty of gross incompetence, and it cost a kid his life. Criminally negligent homicide?
 
Althea said:
As I said at the beginning of this curve in the road, I think the entire state is acting to correct the ills of Castille, and send a message to future Chauvins in the state. She paid the price.

She was certainly guilty of gross incompetence, and it cost a kid his life. Criminally negligent homicide?
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First, notice it's the "State" which needs to correct their laws to ensure justice for all.

Second, let's see what her sentence is before deciding if justice was done or not. IMO, she will get, and should, the minimum of 7 years(?) and serve half in a minimum security prison.

Obviously she had no intent to hurt anyone. She fucked up but her fuck up cost a life. If any of us had made the same mistake, we, too, should be convicted of negligent homicide.

Take out the gun and replace it with a car; if Kim had accidentally stepped on the gas instead of the brake and ran over Wright, should she walk? No. An innocent man is dead and she was the one who killed him, accident or not.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
First, notice it's the "State" which needs to correct their laws to ensure justice for all.

Second, let's see what her sentence is before deciding if justice was done or not. IMO, she will get, and should, the minimum of 7 years(?) and serve half in a minimum security prison.

Obviously she had no intent to hurt anyone. She fucked up but her fuck up cost a life. If any of us had made the same mistake, we, too, should be convicted of negligent homicide.

Take out the gun and replace it with a car; if Kim had accidentally stepped on the gas instead of the brake and ran over Wright, should she walk? No. An innocent man is dead and she was the one who killed him, accident or not.
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I believe I made the same comment about a car earlier. I think the sentence should be mild, as she's already suffered quite a bit. Normally, cops walk from things like this.

If the state refuses to rein in its rogue cops (not this instance), then juries will have to take up the slack.

Provided the cops ever go before a jury. Going to be interesting to see what happens with Chauvin's sidekicks.

They actually tried to get Chauvin off of Floyd's neck more than once.
 
Althea said:
I believe I made the same comment about a car earlier. I think the sentence should be mild, as she's already suffered quite a bit. Normally, cops walk from things like this.

If the state refuses to rein in its rogue cops (not this instance), then juries will have to take up the slack.

Provided the cops ever go before a jury. Going to be interesting to see what happens with Chauvin's sidekicks.

They actually tried to get Chauvin off of Floyd's neck more than once.
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Do you think cops should "walk from things like this"? I don't. With great power comes great responsibility.

That said, there's a big difference between making a fatal mistake as Potter did and intentionally shooting an innocent man like Jeronimo Yanez did.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
People are wise to remember George Santayana's comment on history.
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I don't really think that applies in the Martin - Zimmerman incident.

That was pretty much a unique set of circumstances that came together in a sort of "perfect storm" for which there is no reason to rehash.
 
Flash said:
I agree. I was a little disappointed after she shot him she was mainly worrying about herself and made no attempt to help the wounded man.
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We have seen over and over again that many police officers aren't capable of being good police officers yet are given a gun and a badge anyway. Some police officers don't let their training sink into their souls. Some police officers aren't adequately trained to begin with. I don't think any of the three officers on the scene tried to render aid. They all failed.
 
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