The Inevitable EV Explosion

[T. A. Gardner]

Poor Yagina. She keeps wetting her pink panties over the success of EVs.

10 Reasons Why EVs Will Replace The Internal Combustion Engine

https://www.hotcars.com/why-the-ev-will-replace-the-ice-powered-car/

11 - Simplicity Irrelevant to buyers and not true for manufacturers
10 - Reduced Maintenance Intervals and Cost The difference is negligible
8 - Cross-Platform Adaptation WTF does that even mean?
7 - Simplification Of Traction, Braking Control, And Administration Bullshit. It is actually more complicated, and you can't do a lot of maneuvers in an EV you can do in an ICE vehicle
6 - Weight Reduction Utter bullshit. EV's weigh more 100% of the time
5 - Use As A Power Source Irrelevant and, you can use an ICE vehicle as a power source both as a PTO and electrical so it has more versitility.
4 - Safety There is no distinguishable improvement in safety for EV's over ICE vehicles
3 - Power Density ICE vehicles have this one beating EV's like a red headed stepchild. There is no comparison. ICE vehicles have far higher power densities with their energy source
2 - Reduction Of Training Needs For Repair And Maintenance Another bullshit flag. The massive use of electronics and computers to manage the EV are a huge increase in training and maintenance tooling at great costs.
1 - Lowering The Cost On The Environment[/QUOTE] This counts only if you think this is important. It is mostly a political factor of irrelevance to most buyers and users.

 

[Mr.Badguy]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-more-efficient-than-internal-combustion-engines/

 

[T. A. Gardner]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-more-efficient-than-internal-combustion-engines/

 

[Into the Night]

The Benz Patent Motor Car was the first automobile and it was terrible compared to a horse.

But thanks for proving your stupidity.

You DO realize that horses aren't allowed on freeways, right?

 

[Into the Night]

Poor Yagina. She keeps wetting her pink panties over the success of EVs.

10 Reasons Why EVs Will Replace The Internal Combustion Engine

https://www.hotcars.com/why-the-ev-will-replace-the-ice-powered-car/

11 - Simplicity
10 - Reduced Maintenance Intervals and Cost

EVs are more expensive to both buy and maintain.

9 - Innovation Driven

EVs are based on 80's technology that hasn't changed much. Gasoline FADEC engines are constantly be improved.

8 - Cross-Platform Adaptation

A nonsensical phrase.

7 - Simplification Of Traction, Braking Control, And Administration

Braking control and other handling sucks in an EV, due to it's heavy battery pack.

6 - Weight Reduction

EVs are much heavier than gasoline cars of the same size.

5 - Use As A Power Source

Both can be a power source.

4 - Safety

EVs catch fire just sitting there. Gasoline cars don't. EV fires are much more intense than gasoline fires too.

3 - Power Density

Can't even come close the power density of gasoline.

2 - Reduction Of Training Needs For Repair And Maintenance

Since EVs require special shops and equipment for repair and maintenance, and gasoline engines don't, you are just lying here.

1 - Lowering The Cost On The Environment

They don't. EVs use almost twice as much energy as a gasoline car. They require lithium strip or evaporation mining (toxic sulfuric acid is used to leach out the lithium), and they have terrible resale value. A lot of junkyards won't even take them. They are too dangerous, even when junked.

 

[Into the Night]

ICEs burn at 4 times the rate that EVs do. Firemen have been putting car fires out for many decades.

No, they don't. EV fires are MUCH more intense.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

11 - Simplicity Irrelevant to buyers and not true for manufacturers
10 - Reduced Maintenance Intervals and Cost The difference is negligible
8 - Cross-Platform Adaptation WTF does that even mean?
7 - Simplification Of Traction, Braking Control, And Administration Bullshit. It is actually more complicated, and you can't do a lot of maneuvers in an EV you can do in an ICE vehicle
6 - Weight Reduction Utter bullshit. EV's weigh more 100% of the time
5 - Use As A Power Source Irrelevant and, you can use an ICE vehicle as a power source both as a PTO and electrical so it has more versitility.
4 - Safety There is no distinguishable improvement in safety for EV's over ICE vehicles
3 - Power Density ICE vehicles have this one beating EV's like a red headed stepchild. There is no comparison. ICE vehicles have far higher power densities with their energy source
2 - Reduction Of Training Needs For Repair And Maintenance Another bullshit flag. The massive use of electronics and computers to manage the EV are a huge increase in training and maintenance tooling at great costs.
1 - Lowering The Cost On The Environment

This counts only if you think this is important. It is mostly a political factor of irrelevance to most buyers and users.[/QUOTE]

There's no need for predictions.
We'll wait and see what happens, and then we'll know for sure.

As for us boomers, we're old and will do whatever the fuck we want, regardless.
When we're all gone, it won't be our problem.

Drive gerbil-drawn pumpkins for all we'll care.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

There's no need for predictions.
We'll wait and see what happens, and then we'll know for sure.

As for us boomers, we're old and will do whatever the fuck we want, regardless.
When we're all gone, it won't be our problem.

Drive gerbil-drawn pumpkins for all we'll care.

The ONLY reason EV's will gain traction in the market is by government fiat. If government doesn't force them on the public, they will remain a minor niche in the auto market as they have for almost 150 years now.

 

[Mr.Badguy]

The ONLY reason EV's will gain traction in the market is by government fiat. If government doesn't force them on the public, they will remain a minor niche in the auto market as they have for almost 150 years now.

They're already gaining traction. That's the free market at work. Sorry you're so butthurt about it.

 

[Mr.Badguy]

EVs are more expensive to both buy and maintain.

EVs are based on 80's technology that hasn't changed much. Gasoline FADEC engines are constantly be improved.

A nonsensical phrase.

Braking control and other handling sucks in an EV, due to it's heavy battery pack.

EVs are much heavier than gasoline cars of the same size.

Both can be a power source.

EVs catch fire just sitting there. Gasoline cars don't. EV fires are much more intense than gasoline fires too.

Can't even come close the power density of gasoline.

Since EVs require special shops and equipment for repair and maintenance, and gasoline engines don't, you are just lying here.

They don't. EVs use almost twice as much energy as a gasoline car. They require lithium strip or evaporation mining (toxic sulfuric acid is used to leach out the lithium), and they have terrible resale value. A lot of junkyards won't even take them. They are too dangerous, even when junked.

People would take you more seriously if you actually backed up any of the shit you spew.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

The ONLY reason EV's will gain traction in the market is by government fiat. If government doesn't force them on the public, they will remain a minor niche in the auto market as they have for almost 150 years now.

That view could possibly be right, TAG,
or the technology could improve, as with cell phones,
to the point where everybody wants them

I'm content with not having a compelling reason to give a shit,
but several people do care
and will likely continue to contribute to the discussion.

I would like to see something new and interesting in the discussion,
but there's been nothing recently. There's still time.

It's only too late to save the environment.
We are indeed too late for that.
We've fucked that up pretty well, I'd say,
mostly by not throwing a bag on it.

If the earth remains viable for human habitation for a few more generations,
maybe the kids will figure out something that we can't envision right now.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

They're already gaining traction. That's the free market at work. Sorry you're so butthurt about it.

No, that's government forcing them down our throats. Norway, for example, was an early adopter and EV's only saw a tiny fraction of the market until the government there threw in huge subsidies and other advantages while taxing and penalizing ICE vehicles. Then they threw down a date by which no more ICE vehicles would be sold, just as California has.

In China, the government has done likewise, and even with that people aren't buying EV's.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

That view could possibly be right, TAG,
or the technology could improve, as with cell phones,
to the point where everybody wants them

I'm content with not having a compelling reason to give a shit,
but several people do care
and will likely continue to contribute to the discussion.

I would like to see something new and interesting in the discussion,
but there's been nothing recently. There's still time.

It's only too late to save the environment.
We are indeed too late for that.
We've fucked that up pretty well, I'd say,
mostly by not throwing a bag on it.

If the earth remains viable for human habitation for a few more generations,
maybe the kids will figure out something that we can't envision right now.

The technology can't improve enough. You can't get around chemistry and physics. It's that simple.

As an aside, I just drove over to White Sands NM to do some research on my latest military history book. I took the "scenic route" home up I 25 to Socorro then US 60 back into Arizona and home. You couldn't do that drive in an EV. It would take you, minimally, most of a week to even try it. There are ZERO charging stations and nearly ZERO places to charge of any sort other than some outlet with a charging cable you brought with you.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

The ONLY reason EV's will gain traction in the market is by government fiat. If government doesn't force them on the public, they will remain a minor niche in the auto market as they have for almost 150 years now.

Good luck with that.

About 20 years ago I was invited to a "Transportation Fuels" conference in Norway. I was working on fuel cell technologies at the time. It was generally agreed that unless a couple of key technological hurdles were solved fuel cell cars on the road would be a niche at best. That's continued to be the case now 20+ years later.

EV's on the other hand HAVE exploded in popularity and given the low maintenance costs and no tailpipe emissions (plus the ability to "fuel" them with greener electric) it's not hard to imagine them continuing to be popular.

And the price is comparable to ICE cars.

Right now the ONLY thing an ICE car offers me that I can't get out of my EV is the ability to drive extremely long distances and refuel faster. But that's a tech hurdle which can be overcome.

I don't think I see much standing in the way of EV's dominating in a few years. (ANd yes I understand some of the limitations that currently exist...but that's what R&D is for!)

 

[Saint Guinefort]

The technology can't improve enough. You can't get around chemistry and physics. It's that simple.

What do you mean "can't improve enough"? What particular laws of physics or chemistry are threatened?

As an aside, I just drove over to White Sands NM to do some research on my latest military history book.

Have you read "Making of the Atomic Bomb" by Richard Rhodes? One of the best books I've ever read. Hands-down brilliant.

I took the "scenic route" home up I 25 to Socorro then US 60 back into Arizona and home. You couldn't do that drive in an EV.

And you couldn't do it in an ICE vehicle prior in the early days of combustion engine cars.

It would take you, minimally, most of a week to even try it. There are ZERO charging stations and nearly ZERO places to charge of any sort other than some outlet with a charging cable you brought with you.

Same in about 1918.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

The technology can't improve enough.

We don't know for sure.

The real difference is that you're rooting for it to not happen,

whereas I'm content to just see what happens during the time I have left.


You see, I don't really care about petrol or battery.

They already lost me with the tall head restraints that don't let me wear a hat.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

We don't know for sure.

The real difference is that you're rooting for it to not happen,

whereas I'm content to just see what happens during the time I have left.

TA has a hard-on for the ultimate failure of EV's.

The cool thing is: EV expansion will fuel more development in battery technology. Somethign that is quickly becoming the holy grail of tech infrastructure. Batteries are not perfect yet but the chance to see better batteries come out of this is an amazing thing!

I am always fascinated by people who seem to be oblivious of what R&D looks like and how central it is to the US economy.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Good luck with that.

About 20 years ago I was invited to a "Transportation Fuels" conference in Norway. I was working on fuel cell technologies at the time. It was generally agreed that unless a couple of key technological hurdles were solved fuel cell cars on the road would be a niche at best. That's continued to be the case now 20+ years later.

EV's on the other hand HAVE exploded in popularity and given the low maintenance costs and no tailpipe emissions (plus the ability to "fuel" them with greener electric) it's not hard to imagine them continuing to be popular.

And the price is comparable to ICE cars.

Right now the ONLY thing an ICE car offers me that I can't get out of my EV is the ability to drive extremely long distances and refuel faster. But that's a tech hurdle which can be overcome.

I don't think I see much standing in the way of EV's dominating in a few years. (ANd yes I understand some of the limitations that currently exist...but that's what R&D is for!)

I'm not. I don't want to live in a Leftist dictatorship of virtue. The Left has a long history of fucking everything they touch up. The majority of the population doesn't give a shit about EV's saving the Earth or whatever environtard nonsense the Left is spewing. Most people neither want nor will buy an EV unless forced to. That too is a fact.

I dare you to drive from Phoenix to Las Crucis NM, then Alamogordo, back to Las Crucis, then to Socorro NM and take US 60 back to Phoenix in your EV and do it in under a week without bringing a support vehicle towing or carrying a gasoline powered generator. I drove it in my truck in two days, easily. EV's can't go anywhere in almost half the Western US right now because of the lack of infrastructure and charging times involved.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

I'm not. I don't want to live in a Leftist dictatorship of virtue. The Left has a long history of fucking everything they touch up. The majority of the population doesn't give a shit about EV's saving the Earth or whatever environtard nonsense the Left is spewing. Most people neither want nor will buy an EV unless forced to. That too is a fact.

I dare you to drive from Phoenix to Las Crucis NM, then Alamogordo, back to Las Crucis, then to Socorro NM and take US 60 back to Phoenix in your EV and do it in under a week without bringing a support vehicle towing or carrying a gasoline powered generator. I drove it in my truck in two days, easily. EV's can't go anywhere in almost half the Western US right now because of the lack of infrastructure and charging times involved.

You honestly sound like the unhinged rantings of the anti-automobile faction in the early 20th century.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

TA has a hard-on for the ultimate failure of EV's.

The cool thing is: EV expansion will fuel more development in battery technology. Somethign that is quickly becoming the holy grail of tech infrastructure. Batteries are not perfect yet but the chance to see better batteries come out of this is an amazing thing!

I am always fascinated by people who seem to be oblivious of what R&D looks like and how central it is to the US economy.

Good points, but I'm still steaming about not being able to wear my Borsalino fedoras.