The Inevitable EV Explosion

Yakuda said:
Thank you. I do appreciate it. While I recognize the things you listed are benefits only two things on that list directly impact my day to day use of the vehicle which is my primary but not only concern. Those 2 things are "less maintenance is required" and "no rushing to the gas station before work". Of those 2 the first is most important to me as I spend very little time at the gas station when I do go. As to less maintenance I would have to investigate how much I would actually save. Thanks again.
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And it does not have to be for everyone.

ICE vehicles are not for everyone either but they are still of massive value to the masses of citizens.

EV's are currently of massive value to people in city settings whose primary commutes are work/home/ errands, all in short distance to their home.

ExpressLane said:
The time at a charging station is more than the time spent at a gas pump.
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NOW.. NOW. Charging times are are rapidly improving since Tesla first launched and there is no reason to think that will stop.

Also unlike with gasoline which REQUIRES an extra stop, and time to fill, the vast majority of people driving EV's are destination charging at work, home, Walmart, etc while they do other things. So the charging time is zero for them as it happens while they were doing something else.


Yakuda said:
Oh I agree. At the present moment there is no significant advantage to the individual in owning an EV over an ICE. Unless someone sees virtue signaling as an advantage.
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^^^ This is just dumb to say.

The vast majority of city dwellers commute is work/home/errands and EV's greatly benefit them.

That is the majority of the polulation.
 
Matt Dillon said:
Yep, they explode alright, just add water.

"As Hurricane Idalia caused flooding, some electric vehicles exposed to saltwater caught fire"

"Floridians battered by Hurricane Idalia this week may not have expected another threat — that floodwaters could cause their cars to suddenly burst into flames.

Yet that's exactly what happened when two electric vehicles caught fire after being submerged in saltwater churned up by the storm. Firefighters in Palm Harbor, Florida, cited the incidents, both of which involved Teslas, in warning owners that their rechargeable car batteries could combust if exposed to saltwater.

"If you own a hybrid or electric vehicle that has come into contact with saltwater due to recent flooding within the last 24 hours, it is crucial to relocate the vehicle from your garage without delay," the department said in a Facebook post. "Saltwater exposure can trigger combustion in lithium-ion batteries. If possible, transfer your vehicle to higher ground."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hurricane-idalia-electric-car-caught-fire-tesla/
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True they can and do catch fire and some explode.

But ICE vehicle catch fire and explode MORE.


Contrary to common disinformation about electric vehicles, data from the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency (MSB) has shown that EVs are 20 times less likely to catch fire than petrol and diesel cars.
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20-times-more
 
QP! said:
And it does not have to be for everyone.

ICE vehicles are not for everyone either but they are still of massive value to the masses of citizens.

EV's are currently of massive value to people in city settings whose primary commutes are work/home/ errands, all in short distance to their home.

NOW.. NOW. Charging times are are rapidly improving since Tesla first launched and there is no reason to think that will stop.

Also unlike with gasoline which REQUIRES an extra stop, and time to fill, the vast majority of people driving EV's are destination charging at work, home, Walmart, etc while they do other things. So the charging time is zero for them as it happens while they were doing something else.


^^^ This is just dumb to say.

The vast majority of city dwellers commute is work/home/errands and EV's greatly benefit them.

That is the majority of the polulation.
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You mentioned twice that city dwellers "greatly benefit" from EVs but you aren't specific about what those benefits are. Also "massive value". Ok, such as?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, that's government forcing them down our throats. Norway, for example, was an early adopter and EV's only saw a tiny fraction of the market until the government there threw in huge subsidies and other advantages while taxing and penalizing ICE vehicles. Then they threw down a date by which no more ICE vehicles would be sold, just as California has.

In China, the government has done likewise, and even with that people aren't buying EV's....
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Terry with the usual bullshit, disproven and yet he keeps repeating.

The 'huge subsidies' benefit the ICE vehicle WAY MORE, both in imbedded benefits (over decades and decades) and yet Terry's position is that EV's must compete with none.

Typical right wing derp who ignores all the current and legacy advantages in anything they prefer, while trying to say the only thing that is fair is for anything new to pull up their bootstraps and make it without subsidies to level the playing field.
 
Yakuda said:
You mentioned twice that city dwellers "greatly benefit" from EVs but you aren't specific about what those benefits are. Also "massive value". Ok, such as?
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The vast, vast , majority of city dwellers commute is work/home/errands around town. Probably 90+% of driving is that. Then the next chunk of commuting is a few hours drive on weekends to and from local destinations, maybe in a neighbouring town.

For those people, an EV is ideal. Less cost of maintenance. Savings on gasoline expense is significant keeping that money in the family pockets.
 
QP! said:
The vast, vast , majority of city dwellers commute is work/home/errands around town. Probably 90+% of driving is that. Then the next chunk of commuting is a few hours drive on weekends to and from local destinations, maybe in a neighbouring town.

For those people, an EV is ideal. Less cost of maintenance. Savings on gasoline expense is significant keeping that money in the family pockets.
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So the "great benefit" and "massive value" is less cost of maintenance and savings on gas. Ok. Now the cost of an EV is higher correct? And a charger is usually installed at the home, correct? And I suspect the charging increases their electric bill? So when do those costs pay for themselves?
 
Yakuda said:
So the "great benefit" and "massive value" is less cost of maintenance and savings on gas.
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Which is nothing to sneeze at.

For gasoline alone "...the American families spend approximately $5,000 on gas annually.."




Ok. Now the cost of an EV is higher correct?
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Nope. LIke ICE they range in price.


All-Electric Car Price Comparison
Today's list is the largest that we have ever made. It consists of over 200 individual configurations of about 50 BEVs, offered for MSRP prices from about $26,500 (around $20,000 effectively after deducting the federal tax credit) to over $250,000.

The least expensive model on the market is the 2023 Chevrolet Bolt EV with an effective price of $19,995. This model offers 259 miles (417 km) of EPA Combined range. The Chevrolet Bolt EUV is right behind, at $21,295.
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And a charger is usually installed at the home, correct?
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For homes, yes. For Condo dwellers not directly. It is increasingly supplied at Condo's as a selling feature now, with spots for charging increasing yearly.

And I suspect the charging increases their electric bill? So when do those costs pay for themselves?
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if you charge at home average costs of charging add $30-60/mth to the typical utility bill. Still way cheaper than gas.
 
QP! said:
Which is nothing to sneeze at.

For gasoline alone "...the American families spend approximately $5,000 on gas annually.."

Nope. LIke ICE they range in price.

For homes, yes. For Condo dwellers not directly. It is increasingly supplied at Condo's as a selling feature now, with spots for charging increasing yearly.

if you charge at home average costs of charging add $30-60/mth to the typical utility bill. Still way cheaper than gas.
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Yep! Way cheaper than gas and the convenience of charging in your garage. In fact, I'm charging my Tesla Model Y as I type. MAGAs wet panties.



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Nordberg said:
Are you aware of the air, land and water pollution from ICEs? Are you familiar with the health impacts of car exhaust? Do you just lie for a job?
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EV Cars Could Soon Cost the Same as Gas Guzzlers as Battery Prices Plummet

The price of lithium-ion battery cells, typically the costliest part of an EV, has declined more than 30% since March 2022.
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Lithium-ion battery prices dropped 10% in August, which could help lower the cost of the electric vehicles they power enough to put them on par with gas-powered automobiles.
EVs have traditionally had higher upfront costs, with the price of the battery a chief factor. But the average price for batteries fell to $98.20 per kilowatt-hour last month, according to energy analytics firm Benchmark Mineral Intelligence, the first time in two years it has dipped below $100.
Battery pack prices need to reach $100 per kilowatt-hour for EVs to achieve price parity with their fossil-fuel counterparts, Benchmark said.
"Decreasing cell prices could allow [original equipment manufacturers] to sell mass-market EVs at comparable prices to ICE vehicles, with the same margin, improving the attractiveness of the EV transition for both consumers and automakers," Benchmark analyst Evan Hartley said in a statement.
A decade ago, lithium-ion batteries averaged $668 per kilowatt-hour. By March 2022, they were down to $146.40, falling another 33% to reach August's average. According to market intelligence firm TrendForce, "a continued gradual price decline [should be] expected for the rest of the year."
 
QP! said:
Will do.

These advancements are not surprising to anyone who understands technology development curves once mass money flows in and mass production begins.
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The advancements and discoveries of new EV and battery technologies are happening every day. It's exciting (except to MAGA morons).


In research published by Nature Communications, a study led by Dr. Xuekun Lu of Queen Mary University of London found a way to prevent lithium plating, which occurs during the rapid charging of the lithium-ion batteries used in electric vehicles.**

“This is a significant breakthrough that could have a major impact on the future of electric vehicles,” Lu said in a statement.*
Lu and a team of scientists from the United Kingdom and the United States found that lithium plating can be mitigated by improving the microstructure of the graphite negative electrode.*
In addition to allowing for faster charging times, it’s said the findings could improve the energy density of batteries, allowing electric cars to travel a greater distance on a single charge.*
According to the World Economic Forum, one of the biggest factors that hinders EV purchases is concerns about driving range — sometimes referred to as range anxiety.*
Citing data from a survey by EY, a professional services company, the World Economic Forum noted around a third of drivers worldwide are concerned about driving long distances in an electric vehicle.*
However, improved charging times and increased energy storage capacity could be achieved by minimizing the possibility of lithium plating.
Greater access to electric charging points will further help optimism about the capabilities of EVs. In the U.S., the government has announced the intention to create a national network of 500,000 electric vehicle chargers nationwide.*
In all, this is great news for the future takeup and performance of electric cars. EVs produce zero tailpipe pollution, making them much kinder to the environment than dirty-fuel alternatives, as they have no impact on air quality when out on the road.*

In research published by Nature Communications, a study led by Dr. Xuekun Lu of Queen Mary University of London found a way to prevent lithium plating, which occurs during the rapid charging of the lithium-ion batteries used in electric vehicles.**
“This is a significant breakthrough that could have a major impact on the future of electric vehicles,” Lu said in a statement.*
Lu and a team of scientists from the United Kingdom and the United States found that lithium plating can be mitigated by improving the microstructure of the graphite negative electrode.*
In addition to allowing for faster charging times, it’s said the findings could improve the energy density of batteries, allowing electric cars to travel a greater distance on a single charge.*
According to the World Economic Forum, one of the biggest factors that hinders EV purchases is concerns about driving range — sometimes referred to as range anxiety.*
Citing data from a survey by EY, a professional services company, the World Economic Forum noted around a third of drivers worldwide are concerned about driving long distances in an electric vehicle.*
However, improved charging times and increased energy storage capacity could be achieved by minimizing the possibility of lithium plating.
Greater access to electric charging points will further help optimism about the capabilities of EVs. In the U.S., the government has announced the intention to create a national network of 500,000 electric vehicle chargers nationwide.*
In all, this is great news for the future takeup and performance of electric cars. EVs produce zero tailpipe pollution, making them much kinder to the environment than dirty-fuel alternatives, as they have no impact on air quality when out on the road.*
 
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