The Inevitable EV Explosion

[volsrock]

Well as the technology gets better most downsides vs ICE will be fixed, much like how ICE vehicles are only as good as they are now because we've got the benefit of 100+ years of tweaking designs. But there are current advantages.

First, electricity can come from multiple sources whereas gas can only come from refined oil products (and a little corn these days), which is finite, and the refining process itself requires a lot of energy. Electric motors make more efficient use of that energy than ICE cars do, because again, the refining process becomes unnecessary, and less energy is lost in the form of heat. Less greenhouse gasses are emitted, less maintenance is required, no oil changes, no coolant leaks no spark plugs, air filters, etc. No rushing to the gas station before work.

Plus they're fucking fast.

https://youtube.com/shorts/PAqvGePs9NA?si=R_OinzelqayFSV7r

And some can do cool shit like this.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7BkxjHkOvYY&si=aVzDDGklA4teLW3n

So in 100+ years EVs will be as good as ICE are today



Also EVs may be good but the grid wont be

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Today, 12:55 PM
DumberThanShit
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[Into the Night]

Plug into the Future: The EV Trends to Look Out for in 2023

Electric vehicles are at the forefront of sustainable mobility, leading the automotive industry to undergo significant transformations. According to the International Energy Agency’s (IEA) latest Global EV Outlook, EV sales went from 1 to 10 million between 2017 and 2022, where it previously took the same amount of time to reach 1 million between 2012 and 2017. Last year alone, electric car sales increased by 55% compared to 2021.

China, Europe and the USA were the top three EV markets and accounted for 95% of global EV sales in 2022. Three emerging markets also stood out: India, Indonesia and Thailand, where EV sales more than tripled compared to the previous year.

Soaring opportunities for commercial electric vehicles

Sales of electric light commercial vehicles such as vans have surged by 90% in the past year. Electric heavy-duty vehicle sales have gone up by 45% between 2021 and 2022. Zero-emission buses now represent 4.5% of global bus sales and the IEA highlights that electric bus sales are much higher in countries that have prioritized greener alternatives for public transport: in Finland, they represent 65% of the country’s total bus sales.

Opportunities for electric heavy-duty vehicle development should flourish in the coming years: more than 200 new models entered the market in 2022 and 27 countries have pledged to reach 100% electric bus and truck sales by 2040.

Charging and fleet-as-a-service for electric trucks

Manufacturers can broaden their prospects by exploring the development of charging and battery-swapping stations for trucks that travel longer distances. The IEA draws attention to the benefits of battery-as-a-service for heavy-duty vehicles: purchasing trucks and batteries separately and leasing the battery to vehicle owners reduces costs as well as extends battery life and performance by eliminating the need for ultra-fast charging. This also saves time for drivers who can exchange depleted batteries at dedicated battery-swapping stations in a few minutes instead of waiting for them to charge.

More made up numbers. Argument from randU fallacy.
Swapping a 4000 to 8000 lb battery isn't practical. You still have to charge them too. That takes hours to days. The bigger the vehicle, the bigger the problem. It goes up exponentially. Trucks need to carry payload, not batteries.

 

[Into the Night]

Well as the technology gets better most downsides vs ICE will be fixed,

No, they won't.

much like how ICE vehicles are only as good as they are now because we've got the benefit of 100+ years of tweaking designs. But there are current advantages.

Just one. Better acceleration.

First, electricity can come from multiple sources whereas gas can only come from refined oil products (and a little corn these days), which is finite,

It is not finite.

and the refining process itself requires a lot of energy.

No, it doesn't.

Electric motors make more efficient use of that energy than ICE cars do,

Blatant lie. EVs use almost twice the energy of a similar sized gasoline car. most of it as lost heat.

because again, the refining process becomes unnecessary,

No. Power plants use coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear fuel, etc. Refining is necessary.

and less energy is lost in the form of heat.

Blatant lie. EVs use almost twice the energy of a similar sized gasoline car going the same distance, most lost in the form of heat.

Less greenhouse gasses are emitted,

There is no such thing as a 'greenhouse gas' except in a religion. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.

less maintenance is required,

Nope. Wrong there too. Maintenance on a new gasoline car is about the same, since current FADEC engines are self adjusting, self monitoring, and well built. Tesla has the highest recall rate of any car.

no oil changes,

So you can't afford 30 minutes a year. Whiner.

no coolant leaks

WRONG. EVs have coolant. The batteries are liquid cooled. So are the motors.

no spark plugs, air filters, etc.

So?

No rushing to the gas station before work.

I don't. I don't have to refuel but once every week or so. You are looking for a recharge every day.

Plus they're fucking fast.

No. The the fastest stock car is the Koenigsegg Jesko Absolut, a gasoline car, which can do 310mph. A Tesla model S can only do 200mph, and that for a very short time before requiring a recharge taking hours.

EVs do have better acceleration in general, but that's their only advantage. Their handling sucks, due to the weight of the battery (some 2000lbs), making this a very heavy car.

 

[Into the Night]

Thank you. I do appreciate it. While I recognize the things you listed are benefits only two things on that list directly impact my day to day use of the vehicle which is my primary but not only concern. Those 2 things are "less maintenance is required" and "no rushing to the gas station before work". Of those 2 the first is most important to me as I spend very little time at the gas station when I do go. As to less maintenance I would have to investigate how much I would actually save. Thanks again.

Same maintenance is required. In both cases, you still have to wash and car for the body, change the tires when worn (have you ever seen the price of tires for an EV??), etc.
You do have to change the oil in a gasoline car, about 30 minutes out of the year. Apparently they think that is significant, ignoring the hours they waste charging their car.

Gasoline cars, when they DO need to be fixed, can be fixed by any competent mechanic (or even yourself) using fairly common tools. The EV requires specialty tools, and a specially equipped shop due to the heavy and fire hazard prone battery pack. This means dealer repair for everything.

Gasoline cars, if they get in an accident, can generally be repaired with little fuss. EVs, if a single battery gets damaged, totals the entire car. Corrosion can also start fires in an EV.

 

[Into the Night]

The time at a charging station is more than the time spent at a gas pump.

By quite a lot!

 

[Into the Night]

Yup, you nailed it, Mr, Badguy. And as technology increases, EVs will be less expensive. Batteries will be smaller but with greater range. More superchargers will be available.
As good as EVs are now, they're just going to get better and better.

Now you are just ignoring physics.

Lithium is the lightest of the battery technologies. Lithium still provides the same joules per mole as always. That's a chemical property. You can't change it. Smaller batteries only mean shorter range.
The price of lithium has gone up by 3 times since 2000, with no end in sight, as lithium sources are depleted.

There is no Magick Battery Utopia.

Superchargers damage the battery. It won't last as long when using superchargers. They will require replacement sooner, effectively totaling the car.

You are STILL ignoring the power grid that is inadequate to build all those superchargers and other chargers and to charge all those cars.
You are STILL ignoring the time it takes to charge the car is a LOT longer than just filling up a gasoline car at a gas station. You are STILL ignoring that a gasoline car doesn't have to refuel every night. You are STILL ignoring all those power plants burning coal, oil, or natural gas that are used to charge your 'green' car.

 

[Into the Night]

But you get the benefit of being able to charge from home.

Not a benefit. First, you usually need to have a garage. Second, you have to install a charging circuit in the garage (not cheap). Third, you are constantly worrying about charging the fucking car.

I don't. I spend about five minutes at a gas station maybe each week or so. Done.

High speed chargers that provide more kW are much faster but at this point not every single EV is capable of it, and some people will take up space at those chargers when they don't need to simply because they don't know any better. More standardized charging would help that and it's making progress, as I believe Tesla's charging port has just become the industry standard.
All that time saved charging at home would easily offset a 15-30 minute charge during a road trip,

It doesn't take me 15 or 30 minutes to refuel my gasoline car. Charging is not 'saving time'.

and many hotels also have charging stations.

Yeah. I've seen the fights break out over those things!

Again, this will all get better over time.

Nope. The problems with the EV are still here and still based on mid-80's technology.

Here's a good video about road tripping in an EV. As of right now, it just takes a little planning but it's entirely doable.

Apparently you ignored other videos about people that decided to go back to gasoline cars after such a trip.

 

[Into the Night]

My wife and I took a college football trip to my alma mater last weekend. Charging on the way down took about 30 minutes. Enough time to use the rest rooms, drink a Gatorade and eat a bag of chips. The hotel we stayed at had a charger so I charged up overnight. On the way home, charged again, took about 25 minutes and again, enough time to use the rest room and get a snack.

No biggie.

But you're right. When not traveling, you just charge in your garage. How convenient is that?
No trips to the gas station. No gas spills. No noxious gas fumes. No checking the oil.

EVs are clearly better.

But because Trump hates EVs, the MAGA morons hate EVs. Trump does their thinking for them.

Sad.

Attempted proof by contrivance (anecdote).

 

[Into the Night]

what is the current average price of an EV now, as compared to what you think it will be in say.......5 years?

About two to three times a new gasoline car.

 

[Into the Night]

So in 100+ years EVs will be as good as ICE are today

Probably not!

Also EVs may be good but the grid wont be

Hard to say what the grid will look like in 100 years.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

I'll let the statistics speak for themselves:

I rest my case

 

[Lionfish]

I'll let the statistics speak for themselves:

I rest my case

Joey wet panties, your case was put to rest nearly two years ago.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Today, 06:59 PM
LyinBitch
High Level of Alzheimers
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[PostmodernProphet]

Trends to Look Out for in 2023

dude, you only have a hundred or so days left to look......

 

[Into the Night]

I'll let the statistics speak for themselves:

I rest my case

Random numbers and special pleadings are not statistics.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

This probably isn’t news to you, but EV sales are growing quickly—they made up 14% of global new vehicle sales in 2022 and will reach 18% in 2023, according to the IEA.

This global growth is one of the reasons we here at MIT Technology Review put “the inevitable EV” on our list of breakthrough technologies this year.


Add to the steady market growth the fact that around the world, EV batteries are getting bigger. That’s right—not just in the US, which is infamous for its massive vehicles. The US still takes the cake for the largest average battery capacity, but the inflation of battery size is a worldwide phenomenon, with both Asia and Europe seeing a similar or even more dramatic jump in recent years.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Toyota promises new EVs coming in 2026 with nearly 500 miles of range

At the recent launch of its new BEV factory, Toyota vowed its next-generation electric vehicles will deliver longer range and faster charging at a lower price. The Japanese automaker now says its new EVs, due out in 2026, will feature nearly 500 miles of range.
At a technical briefing in June, Toyota revealed several new innovations, including advanced battery plans, improvements in aerodynamics, and manufacturing upgrades as it looks to boost EV sales with its next-gen electric models.
The company shared at the launch of its BEV factory, which is not an actual plant but rather “an organization dedicated to battery EVs,” that production of Toyota’s new EVs will begin in 2026.
Toyota unveiled four next-gen batteries, including advances in liquid and solid-state electrolytes. The first of which, Toyota’s Performance lithium-ion battery, will power new EVs starting in 2026, providing a nearly 500-mile (800 km) cruising range (with enhanced aerodynamics and reduced weight).
Compared to the company’s first electric model, the bZ4X, EVs powered by the Performance battery will cost 20% less with fast charging in 20 minutes or less.

MAGA soils diapers

 

[Yakuda]

Toyota promises new EVs coming in 2026 with nearly 500 miles of range

At the recent launch of its new BEV factory, Toyota vowed its next-generation electric vehicles will deliver longer range and faster charging at a lower price. The Japanese automaker now says its new EVs, due out in 2026, will feature nearly 500 miles of range.
At a technical briefing in June, Toyota revealed several new innovations, including advanced battery plans, improvements in aerodynamics, and manufacturing upgrades as it looks to boost EV sales with its next-gen electric models.
The company shared at the launch of its BEV factory, which is not an actual plant but rather “an organization dedicated to battery EVs,” that production of Toyota’s new EVs will begin in 2026.
Toyota unveiled four next-gen batteries, including advances in liquid and solid-state electrolytes. The first of which, Toyota’s Performance lithium-ion battery, will power new EVs starting in 2026, providing a nearly 500-mile (800 km) cruising range (with enhanced aerodynamics and reduced weight).
Compared to the company’s first electric model, the bZ4X, EVs powered by the Performance battery will cost 20% less with fast charging in 20 minutes or less.

MAGA soils diapers

AGAIN that can be had with an ICE. What are the significant advantages to the owner of an EV? The only advantage I've been able to discern for the owner of an EV is less maintenance. What I don't know is if the time and money saved through supposed less maintenance makes the extra cost if an EV worth it. Also I need to install a charger in my home. I don't have to install a gas pump at my home.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Today, 07:04 AM
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