The felons from Jan 6 should never legally carry a gun again.

[Into the Night]

I can assure you that every one convicted of a felony in this case will be banned from gun ownership and voting.

Not possible to ban someone from owning a gun. The right of self defense is inherent.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, but should that happen?

No, it cannot happen.

 

[Into the Night]

Why shouldn't it happen? They were in possession of fire arms during a felony, just like someone who robs a bank while armed, or an armed mugger.

No, they weren't.

 

[Into the Night]

let me guess. you think that we should officially inform the federal government that they have become tyrannical and then telegraph where we are going to strike. am I right, fake marine?

Ya got 'em. Dutch Uncle is well known for making up stories about his 'expertise'.

 

[Into the Night]

It actually says "Well-regulated" before that, though. Does that part just not count?

Contextomy fallacy. You are taking two words of the 2nd amendment out of context in an effort to destroy the 2nd amendment.

 

[Into the Night]

You're free to ignore me, just not the FBI.

Yes, we all have inalienable rights. Now explain to me how that give you the right to overthrow the government of We, the People and murder Americans.

There is no right to overthrow the Constitution of the United States, unless the States themselves decide to do it. The States created the Constitution of the United States. Only they can change it. Only they can destroy it (and thus dissolve the federal government).
Democrats in the SODC do not recognize either the Constitution of the United States nor the constitution of any State.

 

[Underdog]

WTF are you babbling about? These numbered responses don't correspond to anything in my post.




I don't know what they do, because they sure as shit don't protect this country from real threats.




National Guard help recover and protect people from actual threats, like Climate Change, the KKK, or a pandemic.

So those people are 100% cool by me because they have a defined role and track record of success, assistance, and protection.

The Marines do not.




1. Do they?

2. Where are the foxholes today?

(That's how you number responses in a post, just FYI)

1. I am cataloging your prodigious lies. they literally count your lies so thats lie #33
2. the guard does not what now? you are confusesd. so wont count this one.
3. Marines don't have a track record of success? Lie #34
4. yes. we don't use "fox holes" much these days.




LV426 LIE COUNTER 34 lies in 8 posts.

 

[Underdog]

It actually says "Well-regulated" before that, though. Does that part just not count?

What do you think "well regulated" means?

 

[Into the Night]

No. It's a different reference.

No. It's two words out of a sentence, taken out of context.

I've always found it odd how the LWLs always cherry-pick from the Second Amendment but never the other nine in the Bill of Rights.

They cherry pick many of the amendments, and also the Constitution itself. So do you. You do not recognize the Constitution of the United States nor any State constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Dude, you're liar and the fake Marine.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself.

The fact you don't even capitalize the word tells me you either never served

Attempted proof by irrelevance, O Grammar Cop that doesn't know grammar.

or were a Terminal Lance who has denounced his oath and the Marine Corps.

A marine is not capitalized, dumbass. It is not a proper noun. Marine Corps is capitalized. It is a proper noun.
Go learn English.

You are free to insult me and lie about me all you want

Fine. You are a whiny thumbsucking liar that is constantly pretending 'expertise', prone to hallucinations and psychoquackery, and a denier of the Constitution of the United States and any State constitution, and that you are also a liar 'patriot'.

and I support your right to do so for two reasons:

You do not, liar.

One, I've sworn to support and defend the Constitution even against murderous assholes like you.

You have violated your oath. You do not recognize the Constitution of the United States nor any State constitution. He is not a murderous asshole. You are hallucinating again.

Two, because it works in my favor to have constant proof you are a liar.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing yourself again.

 

[Into the Night]

It's stupid and dumb to pretend that you know what was in the minds of the Founding Fathers 250 years ago.

It's also stupid and dumb to apply 18th century ideas to 21st century governance.

The failure of any single state to get a handle on COVID, and vaccine distribution, proves that federalization is what we need, not regression to what some people think the Founding Fathers intended back in the 1770's.

Do you apply all 18th century things to your life, or just to government?

Do you use an outhouse?

Do you use leeches for medical care?

Do you get around in a horse and buggy?

Do you use carrier pigeons to communicate with people?

NO?

So then why do you apply 18th century thinking to government but not to anything else in your personal life?

Presentism fallacy.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

That's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is, they couldn't protect us on 9/11, so giving them full control won't make their protection any better because we have no reason to believe they would.

You think the reason the military didn't protect us on 9/11 or 1/6 was because...they weren't dictators?

I had to come back to this with a clarification......

When i'm using the term 'ignorant' in this particular context and thread, it's not being used as an insult.........I'm really seeing that you truly are not understanding how the whole subservient military role is played in respect to being controlled by civilians in office. So, my apologies if you feel insulted by my use of the word in this thread/context.

If you are interested in the true workings of how the military is used and what it's role is and why they couldn't possibly do what you expected them to in the way you expected them to i'm happy to explain it to you. just let me know.

 

[Into the Night]

I sat in a sunlit tower of windows and directed traffic. get it right

Sure beats some poor sap down in the CIC, staring at a sonar screen for hours on end!

 

[Jarod]

No. Contextomy fallacy.

Let's look at the entire 2nd amendment:


This amendment discusses two inherent rights, both related:

The right of a State to defend itself, as a free State, simply because it is a State. States defend themselves through the use of an army (a militia). Like most armies, it is regulated by that State. They are run by that State, for the purpose of a State defending itself.
The right of an individual to defend himself. This is simply because he is a living, breathing, thing. All animals have the right to defend themselves, using whatever means to do so.

Nothing in the Constitution ever granted the federal government the right to restrict guns or any other weapon. If it's not in the Constitution, THEY CAN'T LEGALLY DO IT.
The 2nd amendment is a SPECIFIC prohibition and reiteration to the federal government: HANDS OFF.

The 2nd amendment is also binding upon the States. The States agreed to this when they formed the Constitution or when they joined the Union. No State can prevent someone from obtaining a gun. No government can take away the right of self defense. That includes self defense by ANY WEAPON.

There is no clause in the 2nd amendment listing type of weapon, type of action, style of weapon, any brand name, number of cartridges in a magazine, size or type of ammunition, etc. The government is specially prevented from infringing on anything related to self defense, or the weapons used so, or the armies (or militia) used so.

The constitution gives the fed the right to provide for the general welfare of the people, if banning certain weapons promotes the general welfare it’s constitutional

 

[Into the Night]

StupiderThanYou stated on this forum that he was an (Air Force?) traffic contoller. Which means he sat on his ass in a comfortable chair, in a climate-controlled building, directing traffic. There was a zero percent chance he was ever at risk for serving in a combat role.

But he spent years demanding posters respect his heroic military service, and postured himself as a trained, deadly military weapon.

You do realize, don't you, that military bases and navy ships can be attacked, and sometimes are?

 

[LV426]

the guard does not what now? you are confusesd. so wont count this one.

The Guard protects and recovers us from natural disasters, pandemics, and domestic terrorists like the KKK.

3. Marines don't have a track record of success?

Not from the last 20 fuckin' years.

Not really from the last 70 years, either.

4. yes. we don't use "fox holes" much these days.

Yet, we're spending $1T as if we were.

 

[LV426]

What do you think "well regulated" means?

well regulated

 

[Into the Night]

awww, did i hurt your widdle masculine self because you were too afraid to serve?????

 

[LV426]

Presentism fallacy.

You could just not respond to my posts, because these responses tell the world that you're not prepared to have an honest debate.

 

[Underdog]

well regulated

This is a non answer. please articulate an answer demonstrating you understand what the term "Well regulated" means. thanks!