Tests only identify Zimmerman's DNA on handgun

GRIND said:
I dont know, he's always sounded pretty consistent to me. You simply make up bullshit he never said and then pretend it's another one of his stories. Zimmerman NEVER has said that trayvon grabbed his gun. I have asked for people to show me this, but no one has. He said trayvon went for it, which is entirely different than actually getting it.
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Their entire defense of their hatred, is that "He said this, this time, instead of is". :eek2:
 
ekg said:
I don't know what angle would allow you to grab the gun near the trigger or barrel..here is Z's gun and holster.

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these are not the the exact holsters, they're just being used to give you an idea of how this kind of inside the pant,waistband holster works.

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grabbing anything other than the grip would be almost impossible..


all of which is moot because I don't think Z ever said TM actually had a hold of the gun, did he?

the problem I have is how he said he stopped TM's arm from going down his side towards the gun, by squeezing it (TM's arm/hand) between the inside of his(Z's) upper arm (slightly lower than his armpit) and the side of his chest..and then at the same time, reached with his elbow and wrist towards his back,drew the gun and fired... put a book under your arm(an arm/wrist brace would be awesome too), a little lower than your pit and hold it there, tightly, because you don't want to let it slip.... now try and reach back towards your backpocket/hip area past the midline of your body) and pull out something without letting the pressure up on the book.... it's pretty impossible..

but what we also know..

none of Zimmerman’s blood on Trayvon’s sleeves or cuffs. ( a tiny amount was found on TM on the bottom of his shirt)

Zimmerman’s DNA was not found under Trayvon’s fingernails..

other than the gunshot, TM had a 1/4 in by 1/8 in scratch on his ring finger (may have been different finger, just going on memory on that one..but could be confusing it with OJ.. HAHAHA)

I still think Z thought he was billy-badass and shot first... he said after shooting TM he got atop of him and pulled his arms out to his side because he wanted to restrain him, but per the 1st officer on the scene,TM was found face down with his hand/arms under him..

why didn't TM fall atop Z when he was shot since he was found 'face down'.. you'd think the impact would have thrown him back but that's not what Z said happened. he said TM just sat up straight while still straddling him.. How did Z get out from under him and TM fall facedown?

also, he admits to 'reaching for his cell phone' when TM came up and asked "You have a problem?".. and then TM attacking him.. isn't it possible TM thought that Z was reaching for a gun instead.. ironically, Z did have a gun on him.. and we only have his word that that's what he was reaching for..why is it impossible that TM also feared for his life, but didn't have a gun to pull and could only use his fists and surprise as his weapon?


there's too many questions and the only one to give the answers has a reason to 'taint' his version of events... I'd like to hope the trial will answer everything.. but knowing how trials work, I don't think that'll happen..
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You're wrong on your comment of how the gun could be grabbed and following that pattern is just you showing your lack of knowledge.

Here's a a picture that you used:

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Now take your left hand and grab the gun, while it's in the holster.
If you're being honest, you'll find that your thumb goes between the gun and the person, the web of your thumb will be on top of the gun (in front of the rear sight), and your first finger is going to be against the top of grip (between it and the trigger guard), with the rest of your fingers against the hoster.

Try it.
Have a friend get a toy semi-auto pistol and holster and wear it like you picture.
Have him lay down, you sit on top of him, and reach down and try to grab the gun.]
This will show you that you don't know what you're talking about and hopefully will give you time to ponder the rest of your assumptions.

Now; after typing all of this, I don't think you're going to consider anything that goes against your already pre-conceived "knowledge" of what you think you know.
 
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ZappasGuitar said:
WOW...SF's excuses just keep getting more and more convoluted.

NOW he thinks Martin was able to bounce Zimmerman's head off the ground like a basketball, while simultaneously smothering his mouth and nose with the same hand doing the head dribbling...that must have been some sight to see!

Of course you don't mind assumptions...at least when it's you making them.

Maybe you should contemplate your own lack of intelligence before you go questioning others.

Your double standard is still your problem.
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Again Zappa, you are making assumptions that Zimmerman said that Martin did everything at once. You are reading into the comments. My point about one hand over the face was to show you that even if Zimmerman did mean as you stated, it is indeed possible to do all at once. I know you are not intelligent enough to grasp this. Added to the fact that you will not accept anything that might poke holes in your ignorant positions and there is really no point in further conversation on this with you.
 
GRIND said:
I dont know, he's always sounded pretty consistent to me. You simply make up bullshit he never said and then pretend it's another one of his stories. Zimmerman NEVER has said that trayvon grabbed his gun. I have asked for people to show me this, but no one has. He said trayvon went for it, which is entirely different than actually getting it.
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It is also funny how so many say Zimmerman's story keeps changing and then they quote other people re-telling Zimmerman's story as 'he told them'...
 
Superfreak said:
It is also funny how so many say Zimmerman's story keeps changing and then they quote other people re-telling Zimmerman's story as 'he told them'...
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So it's not possible that Zimmerman tells different versions of his story to different people at different times?
 
ekg said:
I don't know what angle would allow you to grab the gun near the trigger or barrel..here is Z's gun and holster.

George-Zimmermans-gun-magazine-and-holster-courtesy-nbcmiami.com_.png



these are not the the exact holsters, they're just being used to give you an idea of how this kind of inside the pant,waistband holster works.

1265120_galco2ndamend.jpg


Uncle_Mikes_Inside_the_Pant_Holster_2.jpg


grabbing anything other than the grip would be almost impossible..


all of which is moot because I don't think Z ever said TM actually had a hold of the gun, did he?

the problem I have is how he said he stopped TM's arm from going down his side towards the gun, by squeezing it (TM's arm/hand) between the inside of his(Z's) upper arm (slightly lower than his armpit) and the side of his chest..and then at the same time, reached with his elbow and wrist towards his back,drew the gun and fired... put a book under your arm(an arm/wrist brace would be awesome too), a little lower than your pit and hold it there, tightly, because you don't want to let it slip.... now try and reach back towards your backpocket/hip area past the midline of your body) and pull out something without letting the pressure up on the book.... it's pretty impossible..

but what we also know..

none of Zimmerman’s blood on Trayvon’s sleeves or cuffs. ( a tiny amount was found on TM on the bottom of his shirt)

Zimmerman’s DNA was not found under Trayvon’s fingernails..

other than the gunshot, TM had a 1/4 in by 1/8 in scratch on his ring finger (may have been different finger, just going on memory on that one..but could be confusing it with OJ.. HAHAHA)

I still think Z thought he was billy-badass and shot first... he said after shooting TM he got atop of him and pulled his arms out to his side because he wanted to restrain him, but per the 1st officer on the scene,TM was found face down with his hand/arms under him..

why didn't TM fall atop Z when he was shot since he was found 'face down'.. you'd think the impact would have thrown him back but that's not what Z said happened. he said TM just sat up straight while still straddling him.. How did Z get out from under him and TM fall facedown?

also, he admits to 'reaching for his cell phone' when TM came up and asked "You have a problem?".. and then TM attacking him.. isn't it possible TM thought that Z was reaching for a gun instead.. ironically, Z did have a gun on him.. and we only have his word that that's what he was reaching for..why is it impossible that TM also feared for his life, but didn't have a gun to pull and could only use his fists and surprise as his weapon?


there's too many questions and the only one to give the answers has a reason to 'taint' his version of events... I'd like to hope the trial will answer everything.. but knowing how trials work, I don't think that'll happen..
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While I appreciate your detail, I think you should actually try to grab the gun. A person on top of someone that had the gun in such a holster is not going to have very good control if they attempt to grab the grip of the gun. If you were to grab that, your thumb would be on the inside of the pant and your hand would naturally slide in the crux between the grip and barrel... most of your hand will end up on the barrel as the gun is removed. If it is not removed, the rest of the hand would remain on the pant leg.
 
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So it's not possible that Zimmerman tells different versions of his story to different people at different times?
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Or they go on TV and lie about what they thought he said. They embellish for him, they lie for him, like his wife did?
 
Damocles said:
I don't see how that doesn't fit in with Zimmerman's story. Nothing there says that Trayvon ever touched the gun.
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Christie quotes Zimmerman's BFF who recounted the story Zimmerman told him over and over...


christiefan915 said:
“For a brief moment I had control of the wrist, but I knew when he felt the sidearm at my waist with his leg. He took his hand that was covering my nose and went for the gun, saying, “You’re gonna die now, motherf-----.’ Somehow, I broke his grip on the gun where the guy grabbed it between the rear sight and the hammer.
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I don't expect you to acknowledge Zimmerman's own words, but there they are...
 
Superfreak said:
Again Zappa, you are making assumptions that Zimmerman said that Martin did everything at once. You are reading into the comments. My point about one hand over the face was to show you that even if Zimmerman did mean as you stated, it is indeed possible to do all at once. I know you are not intelligent enough to grasp this. Added to the fact that you will not accept anything that might poke holes in your ignorant positions and there is really no point in further conversation on this with you.
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Once again we see that assumptions are acceptable to SF...as long as they are HIS assumptions.

Anyone else must stick to proven fact.
 
GRIND said:
I dont know, he's always sounded pretty consistent to me. You simply make up bullshit he never said and then pretend it's another one of his stories. Zimmerman NEVER has said that trayvon grabbed his gun. I have asked for people to show me this, but no one has. He said trayvon went for it, which is entirely different than actually getting it.
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How do you explain GZ's BEST FRIEND saying that George told him Trayvon tried to get the gun? Is the friend making this up to sell books? Some friend.
 
Rana said:
The problem is credibility, nd even though hearsay, it is damaging, each different version of the story hurts Zimmermen's credibility which is tantamount to his defense!

I can't believe his "friend" wrote a book! This is very damaging to Zimmerman!
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I saw the guy on Dr. Phil and if you think reading this is damaging, you should have heard him. He didn't do Zimmerman any favors with that book.
 
christiefan915 said:
How do you explain GZ's BEST FRIEND saying that George told him Trayvon tried to get the gun? Is the friend making this up to sell books? Some friend.
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Oh he'll find some excuse to avoid discussing the comments Zimmerman made to his friend and detailed in the book written by the aforementioned BFF.
 
Rana said:
The problem is credibility, nd even though hearsay, it is damaging, each different version of the story hurts Zimmermen's credibility which is tantamount to his defense!

I can't believe his "friend" wrote a book! This is very damaging to Zimmerman!
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Again, how? There is nothing at all in his story about Trayvon grabbing the gun or touching it. Seriously, do you even read the article? It states that Trayvon was pounding his head on the ground and smothering him (two hands), not grabbing the gun. There is nothing that hurts his credibility. Had he said, "He grabbed the gun and we wrestled for it." then it would lead to credibility issues, but he did not. This simply shows that Zimmerman said he was the only one to touch the gun and was right.
 
Damocles said:
Again, how? There is nothing at all in his story about Trayvon grabbing the gun or touching it. Seriously, do you even read the article? It states that Trayvon was pounding his head on the ground and smothering him (two hands), not grabbing the gun. There is nothing that hurts his credibility. Had he said, "He grabbed the gun and we wrestled for it." then it would lead to credibility issues, but he did not. This simply shows that Zimmerman said he was the only one to touch the gun and was right.
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Damo, I didn't say anything about the gun. There are many aspects of his story he has changed. I went and viewed the Hannity interview, I did a comparison with his story to the police. There are many details that are different. Zimmerman should not have done the Gannity interview, either. The guy has made some bad decisions.

This book is damaging, whether you think so, or not. This guy ho wrote it is no friend of Zimmerman's. He will be called to testify and either he discredits himself or he discredits Zimmerman.
 
 
Damocles said:
Again, how? There is nothing at all in his story about Trayvon grabbing the gun or touching it. Seriously, do you even read the article? It states that Trayvon was pounding his head on the ground and smothering him (two hands), not grabbing the gun. There is nothing that hurts his credibility. Had he said, "He grabbed the gun and we wrestled for it." then it would lead to credibility issues, but he did not. This simply shows that Zimmerman said he was the only one to touch the gun and was right.
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It's truly unbelievable how willfully ignorant Damo can be when he's cornered.

"Nothing at all in his story..."

Riiiiiiight, except for this little quote: "Somehow, I broke his grip on the gun where the guy grabbed it between the rear sight and the hammer."

That account comes from the book written by Zimmerman's FRIEND, as told to him by Zimmerman himself.

Of course here's where Damo will go off on some tangent or claim it's just hearsay...he'll have some excuse ready to avoid admitting he's wrong.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
It's truly unbelievable how willfully ignorant Damo can be when he's cornered. "Nothing at all in his story..." Riiiiiiight, except for this little quote: "Somehow, I broke his grip on the gun where the guy grabbed it between the rear sight and the hammer." That account comes from the book written by Zimmerman's FRIEND, as told to him by Zimmerman himself. Of course here's where Damo will go off on some tangent or claim it's just hearsay...he'll have some excuse ready to avoid admitting he's wrong.
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Watch for some fancy dancin' from the Dalai Damocles...followed by a declaration of "victory"...



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