zimmerman is innocent and trayvon martin deserved to be killed. I can't wait for the day when zimmerman is rightfully acquitted.
Tests only identify Zimmerman's DNA on handgun
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We can all just assume the bolded is rhetorical.
zappasguitar
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WOW...SF's excuses just keep getting more and more convoluted.
NOW he thinks Martin was able to bounce Zimmerman's head off the ground like a basketball, while simultaneously smothering his mouth and nose with the same hand doing the head dribbling...that must have been some sight to see!
Of course you don't mind assumptions...at least when it's you making them.
Maybe you should contemplate your own lack of intelligence before you go questioning others.
Your double standard is still your problem.
zappasguitar
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Make all the excuses you have to.
I understand you can't stand it that your buddy SF is getting schooled by one of us "AOL'ers" as you like to refer to us.
Your butthurt is duly noted...a little salve for your stinging buttocks may help.
You are hilarious, I wonder at times if you really believe half the stuff you write.
Actually, we won't know his inal story till it is reviewed in court, he has changed his story a time or two!
Bawhahahaha, trolling, trolling, over on jpp, Lala la la, la ka
zappasguitar
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You notice that as soon as I started shooting holes in their convoluted theories, they both begin with the standard issue derision.
The question is, are really really going to believe a person who has more stories than Mother Goose? I want you on my jury, should I ever be tried!
It is hilarious to watch! Zimmerman's stories, have more holes than cheese clothe!
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christiefan915
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Zimmerman's stories change all the time. He didn't say it to cops but he said it to his BFF. Wonder if this means with friends like this, you don't need enemies.
"Trayvon Martin grabbed his killer’s gun just moments before he died and uttered a profanity-laced threat. In a desperate life-or-death struggle, George Zimmerman clutched Trayvon’s wrist, broke his grip on the semi-automatic firearm and shot him once in the chest. That account appears in a new book written by Zimmerman’s best friend and confidante.
There’s just one problem: Zimmerman never said that to the police.
Now the book, Defending Our Friend: The Most Hated Man in America, and author Mark Osterman’s two television interviews have landed on the prosecution evidence list, as more versions of Zimmerman’s story emerge. A man who wrote a book calling Zimmerman “the kindest and most sincere” person will wind up in court — for the prosecution, experts agree.
“It was emotionally draining for George as he relived that awful moment when he managed to control the gun, then fired out of fear for his life,” Osterman wrote.
Osterman, U.S. air marshal who lives in a Central Florida, was among the first people Zimmerman’s wife called on Feb. 26 when she learned her husband had just shot someone. Osterman rushed to the scene that night, and accompanied his best friend every step of the way through the investigation, including his first three interrogations by Sanford police.
Osterman acknowledges that former Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee was his one-time lieutenant in the Seminole County Sheriff’s Department whom he held up as a father figure. Osterman says he was quickly recognized by cops on the scene, but insists he never coached his friend on what to tell them after the death of Trayvon, an unarmed Miami Gardens teenager.
Afraid for the Zimmermans’ safety, Osterman took the couple in from the very first night of the shooting. His 172-page book describes how Zimmerman told the story of the killing over and over again until he was physically drained. When he told it to police, Osterman said, Zimmerman threw up. But Osterman’s account is a sharp deviation from the versions Zimmerman gave, which experts say will undoubtedly be used to try to impeach the defendant’s credibility and cast doubt on his claim of self-defense if each telling changed or was embellished.
“I desperately got both of my hands around the guy’s one wrist and took his hand off my mouth long enough for me to shout again for help,” Osterman quotes Zimmerman as saying.
“For a brief moment I had control of the wrist, but I knew when he felt the sidearm at my waist with his leg. He took his hand that was covering my nose and went for the gun, saying, “You’re gonna die now, motherf-----.’ Somehow, I broke his grip on the gun where the guy grabbed it between the rear sight and the hammer. I got the gun in my hand, raised it toward the guy’s chest and pulled the trigger.”
DNA reports released Wednesday showed there was no DNA from Trayvon on the gun."
I don't know what angle would allow you to grab the gun near the trigger or barrel..here is Z's gun and holster.
these are not the the exact holsters, they're just being used to give you an idea of how this kind of inside the pant,waistband holster works.
grabbing anything other than the grip would be almost impossible..
all of which is moot because I don't think Z ever said TM actually had a hold of the gun, did he?
the problem I have is how he said he stopped TM's arm from going down his side towards the gun, by squeezing it (TM's arm/hand) between the inside of his(Z's) upper arm (slightly lower than his armpit) and the side of his chest..and then at the same time, reached with his elbow and wrist towards his back,drew the gun and fired... put a book under your arm(an arm/wrist brace would be awesome too), a little lower than your pit and hold it there, tightly, because you don't want to let it slip.... now try and reach back towards your backpocket/hip area past the midline of your body) and pull out something without letting the pressure up on the book.... it's pretty impossible..
but what we also know..
none of Zimmerman’s blood on Trayvon’s sleeves or cuffs. ( a tiny amount was found on TM on the bottom of his shirt)
Zimmerman’s DNA was not found under Trayvon’s fingernails..
other than the gunshot, TM had a 1/4 in by 1/8 in scratch on his ring finger (may have been different finger, just going on memory on that one..but could be confusing it with OJ.. HAHAHA)
I still think Z thought he was billy-badass and shot first... he said after shooting TM he got atop of him and pulled his arms out to his side because he wanted to restrain him, but per the 1st officer on the scene,TM was found face down with his hand/arms under him..
why didn't TM fall atop Z when he was shot since he was found 'face down'.. you'd think the impact would have thrown him back but that's not what Z said happened. he said TM just sat up straight while still straddling him.. How did Z get out from under him and TM fall facedown?
also, he admits to 'reaching for his cell phone' when TM came up and asked "You have a problem?".. and then TM attacking him.. isn't it possible TM thought that Z was reaching for a gun instead.. ironically, Z did have a gun on him.. and we only have his word that that's what he was reaching for..why is it impossible that TM also feared for his life, but didn't have a gun to pull and could only use his fists and surprise as his weapon?
there's too many questions and the only one to give the answers has a reason to 'taint' his version of events... I'd like to hope the trial will answer everything.. but knowing how trials work, I don't think that'll happen..
I'm not saying they will... but IIRC, here in FL once you file charges like this.. you can't 'go up' in severity later.. you can always go down tho.. so while they charged with 2nd, I believe they can amend that later or also allow lower charges to be given to the jury to decide.. but they couldn't have done it the other way around..
The problem is credibility, nd even though hearsay, it is damaging, each different version of the story hurts Zimmermen's credibility which is tantamount to his defense!
I can't believe his "friend" wrote a book! This is very damaging to Zimmerman!
I dont know, he's always sounded pretty consistent to me. You simply make up bullshit he never said and then pretend it's another one of his stories. Zimmerman NEVER has said that trayvon grabbed his gun. I have asked for people to show me this, but no one has. He said trayvon went for it, which is entirely different than actually getting it.
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I wonder how much credibility righties would give Osterman if he'd quoted Zimmerman saying something they wanted to believe...
Who is making up bullshit? His dad? His friend? Zimmerman? They all tell different stories. They all give his credibility a whipping! The book should not have been written, apparently his "friend" making money was more important than the impact it would have on Zimmerman! George should have told his friend to shut up!
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It doesn't matter Damo.
They're convinced that Zimmerman is guilty and no amount of any evidence is going to get them to change their mind.
If there was a a video that showed it happened exactly as Zimmerman said, they would denounce it and ignore it.
They want Zimmerman in prison and nothing, no even the truth, is going to change their agenda.