no. it's because you cannot defend the position of perpetual presence to "check Iran" "protect Kurds" "shine shoes"
or whatever the fuck neolibs like you want done in Syria
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or whatever the fuck neolibs like you want done in Syria
simplistic. incomplete. the drought aggrevated the situation of refugees from Iraq.Again, you're talking out of your ass to retroactively try and jury-rig your argument. It's another goalpost shift.
The mass migration prompted the protests, and the drought prompted the mass migration, and climate change prompted the drought, and we prompt climate change because of our energy and climate policies.
But the CAUSE was the kids protests poverty and unemployment -factors that would start any civil war of discontent -and the brutal putdown by Assad.
That started the shooting.
The the jihadi/FSA types got in on the action to "Assad must go"
nope. you still cannot discern what an insurgency is from a viable state..*hint* what does ISIL stand for?
Trump said "ISIS WAS DEFEATED".
They're not.
Even archives is saying it too.
You keep clinging to this delusion because that's how you're defending Trump.
So you're defending a dishonest man by dishonest means.
You're a fraud.
You're right.. except Syria has always had sectarian strife.. and military coups and assassinations... and Assad's regime has always just killed the trouble makers.
True...but this is different because the troublemakers aren't political, they're literally making trouble because their lives are at risk thanks to mass starvation and unemployment caused by the migration to urban centers to escape the drought.
ISIS as an entity is no more. period. the endTrump said "ISIS WAS DEFEATED".
They're not.
Even archives is saying it too.
You keep clinging to this delusion because that's how you're defending Trump.
So you're defending a dishonest man by dishonest means.
You're a fraud.
yep. assad overreacted unlike what happened in Tunisia ( the start of the Spring) where the populace engaged in peaceful politics without being shotYou're right.. except Syria has always had sectarian strife.. and military coups and assassinations... and Assad's regime has always just killed the trouble makers.
no. it's because you cannot defend the position of perpetual presence to "check Iran" "protect Kurds" "shine shoes"
Trump said ISIS was defeated in Syria because he wanted to distract from how shitty the economy was doing.
You've spent all this time trying to say "no what he meant was this..." and that's bullshit because you and I both know ISIS isn't defeated in Syria and Trump's economy sucks ass.
or whatever the fuck neolibs like you want done in Syria
I've said multiple times that my perspective is that we should be providing humanitarian assistance only and taking in every single refugee. That is the extent of my ideal Syria policy.
simplistic. incomplete. the drought aggrevated the situation of refugees from Iraq
How'd it do that?
Climate change caused a drought that caused crop failure. Crop failure caused rural Syrians to move to the cities looking for work, food, and water. When Assad didn't provide those, the people (all of them, from the city dwellers to the Iraqi refugees to the farmers) protested. Assad cracked down brutally on those protests, and that's how the war started.
But the CAUSE was the kids protests poverty and unemployment -factors that would start any civil war of discontent -and the brutal putdown by Assad.
If that's the case, why didn't they revolt sooner?
Because it wasn't the cause.
ISIS as an entity is no more. period. the end
LOL!
Maybe you want to explain that to the American ISIS that was captured in a battle two days ago.
ISIS as an entity is no more. period. the end
"As an entity".
Goalpost shift!
ISIS as an entity is no more. period. the end
So...
First you said ISIS was defeated.
Then you said ISIS was defeated in the territory they held.
Then you said ISIS was defeated in the territory they held that was sustainable.
Now you're saying the "entity" of ISIS was defeated.
So that's three goalpost shifts now.
yep. assad overreacted unlike what happened in Tunisia ( the start of the Spring) where the populace engaged in peaceful politics without being shot
In 2012–13, as a Syrian civil war intensified, many Iraqi refugees fled the rising violence.
Fewer than 200,000 Iraqis remained in Syria in 2012, according to the office of the Iraqi ambassador in Damascus.
Many of the Iraqis were helped to return to Iraq by the provision of free flights and bus tickets, paid for by the Iraqi government.
Refugees of Iraq - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_Iraq
does ANYONE WANT TO DEFEND A PRESENCE IN SYRIA??? Bueller? anyone?
Before we talk about the presence, let's talk about the lie that ISIS was defeated which you're using to prompt the discussion about the presence.
If you admit that ISIS isn't defeated, then you can't make the argument about perpetual presence.
So you need people to believe ISIS was defeated so you can make this false argument that is built on a faulty premise, designed to provide cover for the President who tweeted a distraction.
good link.In 2012–13, as a Syrian civil war intensified, many Iraqi refugees fled the rising violence.
Fewer than 200,000 Iraqis remained in Syria in 2012, according to the office of the Iraqi ambassador in Damascus.
Many of the Iraqis were helped to return to Iraq by the provision of free flights and bus tickets, paid for by the Iraqi government.
Refugees of Iraq - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_Iraq
The refugees always fled from war zones - although I did not know they left Syria that quickly.
Are there any Iraqi refugee in the camps? like Zaatari in Jordan? From what I know they are all Syrian?
good link.
The refugees always fled from war zones - although I did not know they left Syria that quickly.
Are there any Iraqi refugee in the camps? like Zaatari in Jordan? From what I know they are all Syrian?
I think the Iraqis have all returned to Iraq.. I know there are none in KSA any more .. just Syrian refugees.