Syria: You can check out any time you want but you can never leave

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Turkey's Erdogan shuts down White House's Bolton on Syria, says he made a 'serious mistake'

Erdogan issues a blunt put-down against White House national security advisor John Bolton over his pledges to ensure Turkish nonaggression against Kurds who fought against the Islamic State in Syria.
"We cannot accept Bolton's messages given from Israel," the Turkish president says, adding that Bolton made a "serious mistake."


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/turkeys-erdogan-shuts-down-white-houses-bolton-on-syria.html

was referring to statements by the senior Trump administration official, made from Israel over the weekend, promising safety for the U.S.-allied Kurdish militias — who dominate areas in Northern Syria and whom the Turks view as terrorists — in the event of a U.S. military withdrawal.

The militias, known as the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG), are the armed wing of the Democratic Union Party (PYD), an offshoot of the designated terrorist group called the Kurdistan Workers Party, which has carried out a decades-long insurgency against the Turkish state. They're also America's primary partners on the ground in Syria: The Pentagon has been supplying the YPG with weaponry, air support and training to battle IS since 2015, and the militias have suffered thousands of casualties fighting for the U.S.-led coalition.

Erdogan stressed that the YPG and the PYD cannot be representative of Kurds, adding that Bolton "probably doesn't know" who the two groups are. He also described Turkey as facing a "critical juncture" in Syria, with whom it shares a 500-mile border.

Ankara has for months threatened a military offensive against the Kurds in northeastern Syria, refusing to view their presence as legitimate. That threat has been made all the more real since President Donald Trump's shock announcement on Dec. 19 to quickly withdraw all U.S. forces from Syria, a move met with torrents of criticism from security experts and lawmakers alike. Trump, defending his decision, emphasized the need for other countries to take on the battle against IS in Syria and espoused Turkey's subsequent offer to fill America's shoes. Critics say this will primarily mean Turkish violence against the Kurds.



The YPG, widely seen as Washington's most effective local partner in the fight against IS, sees the move as leaving them open to Turkish assault. In a bid to reassure allies of Washington's commitment, Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo have been touring Middle Eastern capitals this week expressing their will to protect the Kurds and continue combating IS.

"We don't think the Turks ought to undertake military action that's not fully coordinated with and agreed to by the United States at a minimum, so they don't endanger our troops," Bolton said Sunday in Israel. He added that Turkey must "meet the president's requirement that the Syrian opposition forces that have fought with us are not endangered."
Ankara and Washington at loggerheads

Given Erdogan's sharp rebuttal, this requirement may prove very difficult to meet.

The Turkish leader's comments were a "big time put down," said Timothy Ash, senior emerging markets strategist and Turkey expert at BlueBay Asset Management.

"Both Bolton and Pompeo are clearly trying to make the best of a difficult situation for them given Trump's surprise decision around withdrawing troops from Syria," he told CNBC on Tuesday. Just last September, Bolton pledged that the U.S. would stay in the war-torn country as long as adversary Iran remains active there.

"Neither Bolton nor Pompeo's comments seemed particularly sensitive to Turkey's sensitivities," Ash said, "and I think Erdogan was responding to this."

U.S. support for the Kurds in Syria has been a major point of contention between Ankara and Washington. Relations between the two NATO allies have been rocked by turbulence in the past few years over Syria policy, U.S. sanctions on Iran, trade tariffs, Erdogan's warming relationship with Moscow, and the Turkish detention of an American pastor, who was released in October.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/turkeys-erdogan-shuts-down-white-houses-bolton-on-syria.html
 
It's serious mission creep time!
Bolton goes over there and says a LOT OF SHIT -that he shouldn't have- all smiling and shaking hands w/Bibi.

anyways now what..?

I keep hearing the SAME SHIT "checking Iran" and "protecting the Kurds" - but seriously fuck all that noise.

Trump has got to learn that Bolton and Mattis and Capitol Hill and the whole damn town are closet interventionists
who want us "in theater" "just in case" blah blah

Bolton needs to be kept under lock and key
 
You said ISIS was defeated, yet, from your post:

The YPG, widely seen as Washington's most effective local partner in the fight against IS, sees the move as leaving them open to Turkish assault. In a bid to reassure allies of Washington's commitment, Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo have been touring Middle Eastern capitals this week expressing their will to protect the Kurds and continue combating IS.

So ISIS isn't defeated, still has a presence in the country, still controls some territory, and now there's no plan for withdrawal.

This comes literally one day after you said ISIS was defeated and we can withdraw.

::Facepalm::
 
You said ISIS was defeated, yet, from your post:

So ISIS isn't defeated, still has a presence in the country, still controls some territory, and now there's no plan for withdrawal.

This comes literally one day after you said ISIS was defeated and we can withdraw.

::Facepalm::
idiot.
it aint about ISIS,it's about mission creep. I am not going to fuck around with your nonsensical misunderstanding
that ISIS doesn't exist as a state ( thus defeated ) but still a virulent insurgency.
~~

Now do you have any comments on the freaking MISSION CREEP asshats like yourself are putting up?
I thought not
 
idiot.
it aint about ISIS,it's about mission creep. I am not going to fuck around with your nonsensical misunderstanding
that ISIS doesn't exist as a state ( thus defeated ) but still a virulent insurgency.
~~

Now do you have any comments on the freaking MISSION CREEP asshats like yourself are putting up?
I thought not

LOL!

The reason Trump gave for withdrawing from Syria was because he said ISIS was defeated.

That wasn't true, was it?

So allllllllllll the posts from yesterday when you were arguing ISIS was defeated was just you bullshitting, wasn't it?
 
LOL!

The reason Trump gave for withdrawing from Syria was because he said ISIS was defeated.

That wasn't true, was it?

So allllllllllll the posts from yesterday when you were arguing ISIS was defeated was just you bullshitting, wasn't it?
yep. i thought you would not try to defend your position of "protecting the Kurds" also known as "perpetual war"
 
yep. i thought you would not try to defend your position of "protecting the Kurds" also known as "perpetual war"

Yes you were bullshitting?

Because that's what you did.

You shifted the goalposts twice and now, less than 24 hours later, you have to go back 100% on what you were arguing before.

You're not very good at whatever it is you think you're doing.
 
Yes you were bullshitting?

Because that's what you did.

You shifted the goalposts twice and now, less than 24 hours later, you have to go back 100% on what you were arguing before.

You're not very good at whatever it is you think you're doing.
same old stupidity, same inability to defend your position of Perpetual Presence.

How about "checking Iran" you wanna take a shot at that?
I thought not
 
same old stupidity, same inability to defend your position of Perpetual Presence.
ow about "checking Iran" you wanna take a shot at that?
I thought not

You said ISIS was defeated and you based that judgment solely on what Trump tweeted

Bolton is saying they aren't, the Kurds are saying they aren't, Turkey is saying they aren't, ISIS is saying they aren't.

So you carried water for Trump for no good reason, just for your ego.

Pathetic.
 
This is why Trump should not talk to world leaders untethered.
This is Bolton's doing. He goes over there thinking what Bibi thinks is what matters in Syria.
He jumped the shark on Erdogan

We don't matter in Syria,Israel is capable of hitting Iran's bases, or border threats....
...but we can never leave..
 
You said ISIS was defeated and you based that judgment solely on what Trump tweeted

Bolton is saying they aren't, the Kurds are saying they aren't, Turkey is saying they aren't, ISIS is saying they aren't.

So you carried water for Trump for no good reason, just for your ego.

Pathetic.

tenaciously stupid while being unable to comment on the topic at hand.
 
tenaciously stupid while being unable to comment on the topic at hand.

You're trying to gloss over your very, very wrong defense from yesterday.

I'm not going to let you wiggle out of it without some kind of admission that you were talking out of your ass, reflexively defending Trump and trying to retroactively rig what he said to fit your new, false narrative.

It's pathetic you think you can do that.
 
This is Bolton's doing. He goes over there thinking what Bibi thinks is what matters in Syria.
He jumped the shark on Erdogan
We don't matter in Syria,Israel is capable of hitting Iran's bases, or border threats....
...but we can never leave..

OR Trump was bullshitting when he said ISIS was defeated because he wanted to distract from the shitty economy. And you carried that water like a sucker.

That's the more likely explanation; that you're not as clever as you want everyone to think. You're just a fraud, like all Conservatives.
 
If anything, recent events show no one is quite sure what is the US role in Syria, and, if, when, and under what conditions, we are leaving

Obama was endlessly attacked by the right for not having a visable plan, somewhat understandably, but Trump doesn't seem to have any plan, other than him saying something and then the Pentagon and his staff running around trying to figure out what it is, not really leadership, or anything an ally could rely upon
 
If anything, recent events show no one is quite sure what is the US role in Syria, and, if, when, and under what conditions, we are leaving

Obama was endlessly attacked by the right for not having a visable plan, somewhat understandably, but Trump doesn't seem to have any plan, other than him saying something and then the Pentagon and his staff running around trying to figure out what it is, not really leadership, or anything an ally could rely upon

Completely agree 100%.

If it were up to me, our presence in Syria would be purely humanitarian and we'd take in every single refugee. After all, our climate and foreign policy caused this mess in Syria, and since a political solution seems unreachable, we should shift our focus to saving refugees.
 
If anything, recent events show no one is quite sure what is the US role in Syria, and, if, when, and under what conditions, we are leaving

Obama was endlessly attacked by the right for not having a visable plan, somewhat understandably, but Trump doesn't seem to have any plan, other than him saying something and then the Pentagon and his staff running around trying to figure out what it is, not really leadership, or anything an ally could rely upon
ooh! ooh! pick me! pick me! I KNOW.

we are DONE in Syria..Get The Fuck OUT! is that clear enough??

we are not there to stop Russians or Iran, or protect Kurds or act like a fire dept for IS remnants
despite what neocon/libs want

Mission accomplished . bye! (leave it for the Russians)
 
Completely agree 100%.

If it were up to me, our presence in Syria would be purely humanitarian and we'd take in every single refugee. After all, our climate and foreign policy caused this mess in Syria, and since a political solution seems unreachable, we should shift our focus to saving refugees.
idiotic. we did not cause the Arab Spring(s) or Syrian Civil war.
 
we are DONE in Syria..Get The Fuck OUT! is that clear enough??

Yesterday, you said we had defeated ISIS in Syria.

Today, Bolton said that wasn't the case. Same with Erdogan. Same with the Kurds. Same with ISIS.

You spent dozens of posts yesterday shifting goalposts to try and rig what Trump stupidly tweeted last December, into some Frankenstein's monster-type argument.

But you need to be held to account for what you said yesterday before you start with a new tactic today.
 
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