Suicide

Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez said:
Okay, I was waiting for you to bring Trump and conservatism into it. But you're not getting off that easy, you have to dig a little deeper. First, we have to acknowledge that these "teens" are actually children, dependent on adults for virtually everything they need to survive. Second, children need(and actually DESIRE)structure, discipline and instruction to thrive. Third, children are self-centered to the extreme, they are mostly concerned with how whatever is happening around them, affects them. This is not a bad thing, and there are thousands of wonderful examples of kids acting altruistically. I was lovingly raised by two democrats who gave me everything I needed to survive, and threw in patriotism and optimism for the future of the nation. Do you really think kids are getting any of that today? Lefty parents are making their kids into their "best friends" and telling them to vote democrat, and the democrats are saying shit like "the earth is going to end in 12 years! The only way to save it is to vote democrat!". Trump gets in with a positive message(and positive results)and all the sudden you end up with a shit load of confused kids. But everything comes from the parents, teachers, and friends at that age. Garbage in and garbage out. If there is no positive message, and therefore no hope, these kids are going to continue to die. Democrats have built a dying world of constant crisis, each one more ominous and insurmountable than the last but with always only one solution: vote democrat. These kids are not stupid though. They understand that the nightmares you have introduced them to cannot be politically overcome, in fact, they are impossible to overcome. And that leaves only despair
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I don't have stats for teen suicide rate by state or region, so it's hard to test that theory. But we do know the overall suicide rates by state and they're much higher in areas controlled by Republicans. Do you have a theory on why that is?
 
Oneuli said:
I'm arguing that the societies controlled by conservatives produce a lot of people who kill themselves.
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so correct me if I' m wrong, but it looks like it went up during the Obama presidency..........
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Oneuli said:
What's interesting about those societies is so much of the sense of threat is based on ignorance/unfamiliarity. For example, take the fear and loathing of immigrants. For the most part, places that are most likely to vote with hard-line nativist politicians aren't places that are actually dealing with the good and bad side effects of high immigration. Places like New York, New Jersey, California, and Massachusetts have far higher percentages of foreign-born residents than places like West Virginia, Kentucky, Oklahoma, and Mississippi. Similarly, the places that went into full panic mode and war fever after 9/11 weren't the places with high Muslim populations, much less the places that were likely to appear on any al Qaeda target lists. While actual likely target areas like NYC, DC, LA, and Boston went about their business calmly, it was in the boondocks that people were pissing themselves. It's quite the paradox.
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As I noted, a lot of their understanding of events relies on a persistent existential threat, they see the world as a melodrama, good guys vs bad guys, and the demogoues provide them the script made much easier if the threat don't look, talk, or act like them
 
PostmodernProphet said:
so correct me if I' m wrong, but it looks like it went up during the Obama presidency..........
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The total suicide rate looks to have bottomed out somewhere around 2000, and then to have risen fairly steadily after that. That includes eight Obama years and eight Bush years. That graph doesn't show 2017 or 2018. However, the rate rose again in 2017. I don't think we have data on 2018, yet.
 
Callinectes Ocasio-Cortez said:
Okay, I was waiting for you to bring Trump and conservatism into it. But you're not getting off that easy, you have to dig a little deeper. First, we have to acknowledge that these "teens" are actually children, dependent on adults for virtually everything they need to survive. Second, children need(and actually DESIRE)structure, discipline and instruction to thrive. Third, children are self-centered to the extreme, they are mostly concerned with how whatever is happening around them, affects them. This is not a bad thing, and there are thousands of wonderful examples of kids acting altruistically. I was lovingly raised by two democrats who gave me everything I needed to survive, and threw in patriotism and optimism for the future of the nation. Do you really think kids are getting any of that today? Lefty parents are making their kids into their "best friends" and telling them to vote democrat, and the democrats are saying shit like "the earth is going to end in 12 years! The only way to save it is to vote democrat!". Trump gets in with a positive message(and positive results)and all the sudden you end up with a shit load of confused kids. But everything comes from the parents, teachers, and friends at that age. Garbage in and garbage out. If there is no positive message, and therefore no hope, these kids are going to continue to die. Democrats have built a dying world of constant crisis, each one more ominous and insurmountable than the last but with always only one solution: vote democrat. These kids are not stupid though. They understand that the nightmares you have introduced them to cannot be politically overcome, in fact, they are impossible to overcome. And that leaves only despair
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your parents must be so ashamed of you
 
archives said:
As I noted, a lot of their understanding of events relies on a persistent existential threat, they see the world as a melodrama, good guys vs bad guys, and the demogoues provide them the script made much easier if the threat don't look, talk, or act like them
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It reminds me a lot of reality TV and the WWE -- these really manipulated narratives with simple-minded issues, lots of melodrama, and prefab heroes and villains. It's probably no coincidence they supported for the presidency a guy who'd been both a reality TV personality and someone featured in WWE events.
 
Oneuli said:
The point, again, is that humans in some states and societies do so at much higher rates than human in other states and societies. The question is, what is it about those states and societies that results in those high suicide rates.
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The question is a poor one because it assumes the results stem from state and societal factors because that just happens to be how they are categorized.


If you think I was saying urbanization increases suicide, you misunderstood badly. Reread.
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"Urbanization might also be a factor". Complete nonsense.
 
evince said:
hahahahahahahahahahah



how stupid are you?


they cant get Americans to take those jobs idiot
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they don't want to pay decent wages. stop helping the corporate propagandists.

what has happpened to the left?

$old out harder and faster than any repub ever imagined.
 
Oneuli said:
It reminds me a lot of reality TV and the WWE -- these really manipulated narratives with simple-minded issues, lots of melodrama, and prefab heroes and villains. It's probably no coincidence they supported for the presidency a guy who'd been both a reality TV personality and someone featured in WWE events.
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The demogoues are just put to make a buck, they pimp hate, and quite a few of them have done very well telling conservatives exactly what they want to hear. Actually, sad
 
Oneuli said:
At the other end of the spectrum, you have MT, AK, WY, NM, UT, NV, ID, OK, CO, SD, and WV -- seven out of ten of which went for Trump.
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You are insinuating that The causation is political affiliation. However a more obvious correlation is military recruitment:
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Oneuli said:
I don't have stats for teen suicide rate by state or region, so it's hard to test that theory. But we do know the overall suicide rates by state and they're much higher in areas controlled by Republicans. Do you have a theory on why that is?
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If it's at all political in nature, I would theorize that the majority of these teen suicides are among kids with a "progressive" inclination. Like I said, they are constantly bombarded with dire threats of war, pestilence, greed, hunger, intolerance, bigotry...you know, all the basic wrath of God stuff without the inconvenience of God, just something you can see and hate: An evil republican. If they live in a state where they believe they are under the heel of an all powerful republican demon, and all this end of the world nonsense is heaped upon them, I would think it might be easy to feel crushing despair. Throw in the teenage hormone cocktail and wow, I'm surprised the numbers aren't higher
 
archives said:
Ever visit any of those States Trump won which are by reputation characterized by their "conservative societies?"

If your whole understanding of the world around you depends upon the existence of an existential threat it is easy to see why some would get depresses when things didn't go their way

And I enjoy reading David Brooks, don't often agree with him, but it is nice seeing a conservative view not born on FOX
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Those conservative locations are wonderful. We don't have your kind here to fuck it up. When they try to move in, they are quickly run out like vermin.
 
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