Suicide and Trumpism

[Oneuli]

Do you consider liberal neighborhoods that fight against new housing and new neighbors as those wanting change?

Neither liberal nor conservative neighborhoods that fight against new housing and new neighbors are examples of wanting change, obviously. But, the difference is that with conservatives that's generally part of a broader resistance to change, whereas with liberals it tends to be a fairly isolated bit of NIMBYism, amidst a broader willingness to adapt to progress.

 

[CFM]

Most of us love him because he's a martyred hero who fought for the rights of Americans who had been left out of the American Dream, and through his efforts made life immeasurably better.



As a patriot, the idea of celebrating a traitor like Lee repulses me. The man led soldiers against our country and is responsible for the deaths of thousands of American troops.

Unwilling to do what it takes to reach that dream isn't being left out by anyone but yourself.

His efforts didn't make things better for me. I don't need someone to do that. I'm more than capable to do it myself.

I'll guess you'll have to be repulsed. No skin off my back. But do get some help for your problem.

 

[Oneuli]

The link in one of your links shows the report is from 2016.
https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/suicide-rate/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B"colId":"Suicide%20Rate%20per%20100,000%20Individuals","sort":"desc"%7D
No doubt the data was collected before 2016. So the OP about a correlation between Trump approval and suicide is a complete fail. May as well end this thread.

I'm not understanding what point it is you imagine you've made here. Do you think that I said the data was collected after 2016? The correlation exists regardless of the two different time frames.

Here, to smell your brain fart, picture if a study found a correlation between people who were born in the 1950s and a tendency to relocate for retirement. Now, if a person were deeply stupid, he might point out that the data about when the people were born predates the data about where they retired, making the correlation a "complete fail." But, as you can imagine, anyone with a brain would just have a good laugh at such an argument.

 

[CFM]

It's definitely racist. It's also an attempted insult, though a pathetically failed one.

Not when excuses are made that it's not depending on who uses the term.

I have no need to insult you. Your existence, alone, is an insult to humanity.

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

Donald Trump is on his own "Political Suicide Mission"!

The 2018 November election proved that!

And the Trump ass-kissing supporters have also committed their own "Political Suicide" as they have divided their own party!

And the 2020 November election will certainly prove that- as the Democrats will windfall into keeping the House, winning Congress back, and winning the Executive Branch back!

Hey, thanks! We couldn't even had hoped to do it without you idiots!

 

[Oneuli]

His efforts didn't make things better for me

Yes. I don't doubt that your life is thoroughly horrible despite the best efforts of all the American heroes who have fought to set you up for more opportunities. Losers are going to lose.

 

[LV426]

there are soo many good paying jobs available many employers will hire on a training basis to fill them.

Not really, but OK...believe that fairy tale if you want.

education isn't as important as skills. we do need less emphasis on liberal arts and more vocational training

I hear the chorus of "vocational training as the silver bullet" all the time, but the fact is that you are limiting your earning potential by doing that.

 

[cawacko]

If you've managed to live in a bubble in the Bay Area, you've got a real talent for self-isolation. For my part, I'd have to become a home-bound hermit to live in a bubble here in New York.

There’s wealth here unlike anywhere else. There are some of the best and brightest from all over the world. Those are good things but it’s not like everywhere else. Not everyone in the country is a college educated high earner and that doesn’t make them bad people but you wouldn’t always know that living here. I’ve spent 35 years in the Bay Area and I wouldn’t live anywhere else. But having spent plenty of time away from here as well it is definitely a bubble.

 

[cawacko]

Neither liberal nor conservative neighborhoods that fight against new housing and new neighbors are examples of wanting change, obviously. But, the difference is that with conservatives that's generally part of a broader resistance to change, whereas with liberals it tends to be a fairly isolated bit of NIMBYism, amidst a broader willingness to adapt to progress.

NIMBYism is the ultimate resistance to change. It’s easy to support change when you think it doesn’t affect you.

 

[dukkha]

Not really, but OK...believe that fairy tale if you want.

I hear the chorus of "vocational training as the silver bullet" all the time, but the fact is that you are limiting your earning potential by doing that.

no you aren't "limiting". many good skilled jobs pay very well. The guy who put in my water softener worked in the business and then opened his own business. He's expanded 2x.

Compare that to mountains of student debt and a liberal arts that is over saturated supply


500k manufacturing jobs increase under Trump is not a "fairy tale"

 

[evince]

Take a look at these two blocks of statistics:

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/population-health/us-states-ranked-by-suicide-rate.html
https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

What's remarkable is how strongly correlated suicide rates are with Trump approval rates, at the state level. Specifically, there's a 58.4% positive correlation. Basically, the more suicidally depressed people are in a state, the more likely people in the state are to approve of Trump.

This is particularly interesting because it flies in the face of the normal trend for higher-latitude populations to have higher suicide rates (likely owing to circadian rhythm problems in places where there are huge imbalances between night and day in the Summer and Winter months, resulting in sleep irregularities and depression). Other things being equal, you'd expect lower suicide rates in the Deep South than in New England, just as you find lower suicide rates in southern European countries (Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal) than northern ones (Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland).

So, what's the reason for this correlation? Is there something about conservative politics that makes people suicidal (e.g., skimping on public assistance for mental health care)? Or something about being suicidal that makes people conservative (e.g., the attraction of hateful rhetoric to those who are emotionally frayed)? Or something separate that drives both things (e.g., a sense of being left behind, economically)? Why is it that there's such an enormous gap in suicide rates between places like NJ, NY, and MA (around 8/100k), and places like Montana, Alaska, and Wyoming (around 25/100k)?

racism makes people cold and dead inside


it eats peoples souls away making death seem like a better option than life

 

[CFM]

Yes. I don't doubt that your life is thoroughly horrible despite the best efforts of all the American heroes who have fought to set you up for more opportunities. Losers are going to lose.

Interesting how you cherry pick part of an entire statement then misrepresent what was said.

My life is fine and, unlike you, I can give the credit to myself not some black guy.

 

[evince]

no you aren't "limiting". many good skilled jobs pay very well. The guy who put in my water softener worked in the business and then opened his own business. He's expanded 2x.

Compare that to mountains of student debt and a liberal arts that is over saturated supply


500k manufacturing jobs increase under Trump is not a "fairy tale"

how the right sees actually educating your population

 

[CFM]

Not really, but OK...believe that fairy tale if you want.




I hear the chorus of "vocational training as the silver bullet" all the time, but the fact is that you are limiting your earning potential by doing that.

You're basing that on your personal failures. Whether you believe it or not, others have done well because they put for the effort to do so. Since you haven't, you should suffer the consequences of a lazy life.

 

[dukkha]

how the right sees actually educating your population

simple supply and demand desh.. of course not all college is liberal arts either

 

[evince]

If you've managed to live in a bubble in the Bay Area, you've got a real talent for self-isolation. For my part, I'd have to become a home-bound hermit to live in a bubble here in New York.

don't blame SF

he is not your typical SFer

he is a con in a liberal city

 

[Getin the ring]

Take a look at the stats. The people in states where Clinton was favored are among the least likely to be suicidal. It's not places like NJ, MA, and NY where people are offing themselves at high rates. Quite the opposite. In places where Clinton was most popular, people seem to be pretty happy. It's in the hard-core Trump states (and, even within those states, the rural Trump counties) that people are suicidally depressed. The question is why. And you see similar trends demographically -- that many of the most suicidal groups of people are the very demographic groups most likely to vote Trump (white people, men, older people, veterans, etc.)

it's just a ridiculous argument to say more people who voted for trump kill themselves than people who voted for the Queen.

One has to look no further than the bat$hit crazy frenzy that broke out after trump won to see bat$hit crazy is a liberal thing, triggered by a political loss is irrational behavior.

if you want to bring more factors into the conversation, such as more trump supporters are / were in the military, our heroes that are taking their lives at alarming rates maybe.

But don't mask you assertion behind something else besides your assertion that trump supporters are more likely to kill themselves because they support Trump.
Your bias as usual is on full display

 

[evince]

simple supply and demand desh.. of course not all college is liberal arts either

other nations have HIGH SCHOOLS that teach up to a college level compared to our nation


we used to be the best of the best

UNTIL

the republicans SCREAMED "throwing money at the problem" every time our schools needed federal money


you assholes strangle our schools in every way you can shit for brains

 

[evince]

it's just a ridiculous argument to say more people who voted for trump kill themselves than people who voted for the Queen.

One has to look no further than the bat$hit crazy frenzy that broke out after trump won to see bat$hit crazy is a liberal thing, triggered by a political loss is irrational behavior.

if you want to bring more factors into the conversation, such as more trump supporters are / were in the military, our heroes that are taking their lives at alarming rates maybe.

But don't mask you assertion behind something else besides your assertion that trump supporters are more likely to kill themselves because they support Trump.
Your bias as usual is on full display

dear fucking idiot,

its your orange mushroom who is surrounding himself with family to try and make himself a king


fuck you very much

 

[CFM]

other nations have HIGH SCHOOLS that teach up to a college level compared to our nation


we used to be the best of the best

UNTIL

the republicans SCREAMED "throwing money at the problem" every time our schools needed federal money


you assholes strangle our schools in every way you can shit for brains

We used to actually teach. Now, much of what you call that is nothing more than a feel good curriculum where no one claims their feelings got hurt because they were told they didn't meet standards.

When people graduate today and get a diploma yet many can't do basic math, write a grammatically correct or coherent sentence, or understand even the most simple concepts of economics, spending more is throwing money at a problem where the lack of money isn't the cause of the problem.

There's a local tech school where students have to take remedial math. Sorry, but if you can't solve x + 2 = 5 for x, you have no business at any college and the taxpayers have no reason to pay for you to go to school.