Some educators who lost jobs over Charlie Kirk comments are now suing

[cawacko]

Which law? In what jurisdiction?

I think it all comes down to overall behavior. If a person behaves like a jackass, then they deserve what's coming to them.

I admit I’m not a constitutional lawyer. I can’t cite case law, but I do know the First Amendment applies to the government and not private employers.

If people shouldn't be fired for their opinions, then whether they’re a jackass would be irrelevant.

 

[Into the Night]

No, employers should never deprive a person the right to express their opinion. It's pretty much spelled out in the 1A.

The 1st amendment does not apply to businesses. A job is not free speech.

 

[Into the Night]

The First Amendment protects us from government restrictions, but it doesn’t apply to private employers. They can still choose to discipline or fire someone if they think what was said hurts the company or creates problems.

A job is not free speech.

 

[Into the Night]

Not at schools that take Federal funds.

Accepting federal funds makes no difference.

A federal fund is not the federal government. A job is note free speech.

 

[EdwinA]

Accepting federal funds makes no difference.

A federal fund is not the federal government. A job is note free speech.

Wrong. It means they go by Federal requirements or they lose their funding. I've already pointed out school districts in the U.S. are independent and can refuse to take Federal money, so you got nothing there. Most are going to take the money, in which case they have no basis for sniveling. Those where the states regulate education are the same, if they take Fed money they're going to kiss Federal ass. They don't have to take Federal money either, but they will.

 

[Into the Night]

Gosh... I guess you just made it so states can ban guns since they are STATE governments and the 2nd amendment does NOT apply just like you claim the 1st amendment doesn't.

The 2nd amendment applies to all States, moron. The 1st amendment does NOT.

 

[Into the Night]

Wrong. It means they go by by Federal requirements or they lose their funding.

A federal fund is not the federal government.

I've already pointed out school districts in the U.S. are independent and can refuse to take Federal money, so you got nothing there. Most are going to take the money, in which case they have no basis for sniveling. Those where the states regulate education are the same, if they take Fed money they're going to kiss Federal ass. They don't have to take Federal money either, but they will.

Irrelevance fallacy.

 

[Tbird19482]

Just

The 2nd amendment applies to all States, moron. The 1st amendment does NOT.

when did the First Amendment NOT apply to ALL states?
You really ARE a moron.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The 2nd amendment applies to all States, moron. The 1st amendment does NOT.

@Into the Night is so stupid he thinks some parts of the Constitution aren't valid in states.

 

[Into the Night]

Just

when did the First Amendment NOT apply to ALL states?

Since it became part of the Constitution.

You really ARE a moron.

No, that would be you, Tball. YOU are the one denying and discarding the Constitution. YOU are the one supporting the rioting, arson, looting, insurrection, vandalizing, organized crime, and harboring illegal aliens.

 

[Into the Night]

@Into the Night is so stupid he thinks some parts of the Constitution aren't valid in states.

Go read it, moron.

 

[Tbird19482]

Since it became part of the Constitution.

No, that would be you, Tball. YOU are the one denying and discarding the Constitution. YOU are the one supporting the rioting, arson, looting, insurrection, vandalizing, organized crime, and harboring illegal aliens.

In what state doesn't it apply?
I am sure the people of that state might want to know.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

If said by the authority figure of a first or second grade teacher, said to a vulnerable, looking for friendship and emotional security seeking student, causing the kid to become, upset, indoctrinated, and radicalized...

Yes!

Context and Interposition of Roles matters allot.

As a Adult to Adult in a known Satirical Conversation, No problem.

Between Avatars on a rough and tumble political forum, Expected.

As a Parent to Child, or Adult-Teacher to Child-Student, Huge Problem.

Teachers, Coaches, School Councilors, Priests, Cops, Mayors... all have sensitive, responsible and potentially destructive roles. There is much less freedom of speech available to people who choose to work in such positions.

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excellent.

 

[Hume]

@Into the Night is so stupid he thinks some parts of the Constitution aren't valid in states.

ITN is very stupid. Hard to believe, but he really is this goddam stupid.

 

[Tbird19482]

In what state doesn't it apply?
I am sure the people of that state might want to know.

That should have said STATES and as I said I am sure the people of those STATES might want to know they don't have freedom of speech .

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

So you can't show where the govt has the authority to teach people so you strike out at other people like a little bitch.

yep. that's right.

 

[Yakuda]

yep. that's right.

I know it's right Skippy they have no fucking authority to teach anything to anybody

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Go read it, moron.

I have read it. I'd suggest you try to read it but I realize that is far beyond your capabilities.
Perhaps your problem is that you haven't read the entire Constitution.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[Into the Night]

In what state doesn't it apply?
I am sure the people of that state might want to know.

The 1st amendment doesn't apply to people, Tball.

 

[Into the Night]

That should have said STATES and as I said I am sure the people of those STATES might want to know they don't have freedom of speech .

They don't. They never did, Tball.

Slander and libel is a crime.
Perjury is a crime.
Fomenting a panic is a crime.
You can get fired for speaking out against the company or your boss.
You can get fired for divulging company secrets.
You can get kicked out a movie theater for making too much noise.
You can get kicked out of a casino for rowdy speech.
You can be kicked out of a classroom for being disruptive, including making a racist comment, trying to start a fight, etc.
You can be sent to jail for disrupting a courtroom with your speech.

A job is not free speech.

DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE!