So if Florida is the “State of Freedom,” as DeSantis propagandizes,

cawacko said:
I've only spent a little time looking at investments in Florida so I'm not well versed on the state. But I'm willing to bet a fair sum of money that your process is still nothing like California and you don't have a CEQA law equivalent that allows really any group to stop anything you do.

For someone not from California you wouldn't understand what happens here so you don't really have a frame of reference.
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That is not state laws asshole


It’s bay laws
 
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Disclose to the public the significant environmental effects of a proposed discretionary project, through the preparation of an initial study, negative declaration, mitigated negative declaration, or environmental impact report.
Prevent or minimize damage to the environment through development of project alternatives, mitigation measures, and mitigation monitoring.
Disclose to the public the agency decision making process utilized to approve discretionary projects through findings and statements of overriding consideration.
Enhance public participation in the environmental review process through scoping meetings, public notice, public review, hearings, and the judicial process.
Improve interagency coordination through early consultations, scoping meetings, notices of preparation, and State Clearinghouse review.
State and local public agencies must comply with CEQA before making a discretionary approval of a project. Compliance can be met by determining a project is exempt from CEQA or preparing an environmental analysis, typically a negative declaration (ND), mitigated negative declaration (MND) or environmental impact report (EIR). MNDs and EIRs identify and contain an analysis of a project's significant environmental effects and discuss feasible measures to avoid or mitigate those effects. EIRs also analyze a reasonable range of potentially feasible alternatives to the proposed project that would avoid or substantially lessen the project's significant effects. Compliance with other environmental laws and regulations is also typically discussed in an MND or EIR.
 
evince said:
https://wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Environmental-Review/CEQA



This happens in the Bay Area because what you do effects so many others


Gee imagine that


You are crammed in like sardines

It’s a good law that protects peoples rights
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Enhance public participation in the environmental review process through scoping meetings, public notice, public review, hearings, and the judicial process.



You have a million people involved locally that will be effected


Don’t live there if you don’t like it
 
cawacko said:
I've only spent a little time looking at investments in Florida so I'm not well versed on the state. But I'm willing to bet a fair sum of money that your process is still nothing like California and you don't have a CEQA law equivalent that allows really any group to stop anything you do.

For someone not from California you wouldn't understand what happens here so you don't really have a frame of reference.
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They let anyone build anywhere


Then it’s shit ass swamp land not fit for any disaster survival


Then no one will insure it



Guess who gets left holding the bag?



The nation
 
archives said:
are Floridians now looking to the Government to help them recover or are they still boasting “freedom,” and doing it without the Government? Does DeSantis now embark upon the big government he supposedly opposes to address the need?
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Since when does freedom prevent the freedom of accepting help from the government in a national disaster? The premise of the OP is dumb.
 
Jarod said:
Recreational Marijuana is legal in California.
Recreational Marijuana is illegal in Florida.
Abortion is openly accessible in California.
Abortion is strictly regulated in Florida.

Just two examples off the top of my head.
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Yes babies have the freedom to have life just like you. It's a great thing.
 
Jarod said:
Recreational Marijuana is legal in California.
Recreational Marijuana is illegal in Florida.
Abortion is openly accessible in California.
Abortion is strictly regulated in Florida.

Just two examples off the top of my head.
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hmm.....doing drugs and killing children.......high praise from the left.....
 
Jarod said:
The question was not what state you would chose, it was what state is more free.
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can you buy something other than "green" gasoline in California? Their gasoline is now averaging $6.41 a gallon.......in a few years will you be able to buy anything other than an electric car in California?......

here are some things you are not free to do in California......
https://www.sevenslegal.com/criminal-attorney/strange-state-laws-illegal-california/587/#:~:text=You%20may%20only%20throw%20a,are%20prohibited%20in%20Los%20Angeles.

Persons classified as “ugly” may not walk down any street in San Francisco.......
In Dana Point, one may not use one’s own restroom if the window is open.....
It is a crime for dogs to mate within 500 yards of a church....
In Los Angeles, it is illegal to cry on the witness stand.....
In Fresno, permanent markers may not be sold in the city limits.....
In Eureka, it is illegal to fall asleep in public.....
Detonating a nuclear device within Chico city limits results in a $500 fine.....
In Carmel, women may not wear high heels while in the city limits.......
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
can you buy something other than "green" gasoline in California.......in a few years will you be able to buy anything other than an electric car in California?......
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I'll bet you can't even buy a gas powered weedwacker or lawn mower in CA. I'm free to buy one here in PA.
 
Jarod said:
No, he said Florida is "THE free state." As if only his version of freedom counts.
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Well, to be honest, his version is what counts to him and the people who voted for him because he stood for that version. I have said many times that I am glad Oklahoma is not like California in terms of governance.
 
cawacko said:
I've only spent a little time looking at investments in Florida so I'm not well versed on the state. But I'm willing to bet a fair sum of money that your process is still nothing like California and you don't have a CEQA law equivalent that allows really any group to stop anything you do.

For someone not from California you wouldn't understand what happens here so you don't really have a frame of reference.
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And it is not even close when it comes to non-coastal residences in Florida vs. non-coastal residences in California from what I have read and listened to.
 
archives said:
are Floridians now looking to the Government to help them recover or are they still boasting “freedom,” and doing it without the Government? Does DeSantis now embark upon the big government he supposedly opposes to address the need?
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If Florida is so free, how come you can't buy weed there legally?
 
leaningright said:
And it is not even close when it comes to non-coastal residences in Florida vs. non-coastal residences in California from what I have read and listened to.
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I can speak less to the inland areas of California because I haven't invested there but the CEQA laws for the state exist there like they do everywhere else. I'm assuming most (almost all) areas in the country have a certain permitting process, code checks etc. etc It's not just a free for all. But people not from California don't understand the lengths it goes beyond that here and not just the CEQA law but the abuse of it. They can't comprehend.

Jarod likes to say liberals like/support change and conservatives want things to stay the way they are. There's little more ironic in regards to that statement than California housing laws. The NIMBYs favorite phrase is 'neighborhood character'. They block all new development or upgrades under the guise of maintaining neighborhood character. It's the ultimate Fvck You I've Got Mine and want nothing to change attitude.

And I see people are back talking racism again, well the attitude above keeps in place racist zoning laws and reinforces systemic racism. (Remember, it's those on the right who racist not the left.) So yeah, you see the multiple levels of irony here.

(Sorry for going off on a rant but it's humorous to hear the 'vote for Democrats if you're tired of racism' argument. To each his own in that people can vote for whomever they like but spare us the "i'm not racist and I don't support racism so I'm voting for Democrats" rhetoric. It's just supporting a different kind of racism.)
 
leaningright said:
Well, to be honest, his version is what counts to him and the people who voted for him because he stood for that version. I have said many times that I am glad Oklahoma is not like California in terms of governance.
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But that is not based on pure freedom, just what restrictions you prefer, and what freedoms are valuable to you.
 
Jarod said:
But that is not based on pure freedom, just what restrictions you prefer, and what freedoms are valuable to you.
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And we’ve come full circle…Post #84

That’s my point…though admittedly I didn’t not state it clearly. There are “certain” things you are more inclined to restrict and I am more inclined to lessen restrictions on … and vice versa. It’s the ongoing battle between the two sides of the political aisle.
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Why would we expect him to be any different. I view Markwayne Mullin’s Twitter and Facebook. I get a kick out of reading the responses to the posts on those accounts seeing the 20% who didn’t vote for him chastising him for not forsaking the will of the 80% that did and voting for the 20% agenda. I’m like…What do they expect?

Similarly I don’t expect DeSantis to be any different in regards to what he touts as being “free.” You may not agree with him…the 50% who voted against him (actually more like 50.5%) may not, but the folks who voted for him … they love it … and likely agree wholeheartedly with him. Propaganda? Maybe…in fact, likely from where you sit. Smart and politically expedient? Almost definitely.

I mean, I’d vote for the guy for president over Biden or most any democrat the national party trots out.
 
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