Scott Walker Legalizes Rape

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Nice Damo...you tell us you're not promoting an opinion and no sooner write that than you promote an opinion.

Well I'm promoting an opinion too. State sanctioned rape is wrong. It violates a womans privacy rights and it violates her physical person and it violates her relationship ship with her phsycian and it violates the physicians hypocratic oath.

These horrible right wing paternalistic laws also set terrible precedents where regulating birth control is concerned too.

As for as I'm concerned it's polically stupid too. If Republicans keep attacking womens rights like this they are well on their way to becoming a permanent minority.

Great post Mott. I feel very much for the doctors forced to do this, and I know from reading about it most doctors consider it an abomination.

I fear the doctors who want to do it.

 

[Rune]

You know something, you're right, those scifi posts really do read like someone totally stoned out of their mind wrote them. Read that way, they are actually funny. I should have smoked a joint before I read them. I might have laughed.

Nothing funny about stupid.

 

[Rune]

No, I'm a much better person than you actually. It's going to take a lot of very strong women who don't wilt under male disapproval to make sure you women-controlling facists don't institute state-enforced rape across the board, or force women to have a baby every time they have sex. (the "good old days) I am only one of them. I'm sure you're not familar with the type. None of them would have ever talked to you. You won't get past us.

Go get your gf to soothe your feelings, you facist dweeb.

Can you imagine 3-dweeb getting probed with anything other than his girlfriend's fist?

 

[Howey]

There's nothing better than a good ol' Darla rant.


Especially when you're not on the receiving end.

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

There's nothing better than a good ol' Darla rant.


Especially when you're not on the receiving end.

LOL

 

[Damocles]

So...I'll just get right to the point.....until that day comes when science has conception....well.....down to a science.... Do we allow women reasonable access to ending unwanted pregnancies, or do we force them to carry that pregnancy to term and be stuck with a child that they are unwilling to or incapable of taking care of?

We remove the fetus and attempt to save its life progressing the science manifoldly...

 

[Damocles]

Damn, you guys really do have better weed in Colorado.

Nice job supporting state sponsered rape in the meantime.

You have to actually purposefully be ignorant to believe that I support this law at this point. Again, getting all angrified because I don't promote your side of things over the other which I also don't support doesn't change that there is more than one option, that even now we could make better choices that will reduce the timeframe when we can walk away from this barbarism we call "choices" currently.

 

[patriot66]

Huh?

you were saying it was an invasive procedure to have this ultrasound,

so this is an invasive procedure, but tearing a baby from the womb isn't. How about delivering a baby except for the head, jamming a vacuum in the back of the skull, and the sucking out the brain, and then dismembering the rest of the baby, wow that doesn't sound invasive at all. You people probably all belong to PETA too don't you, you disgust me. Your sickness is in full effect.

 

[Howey]

We remove the fetus and attempt to save its life progressing the science manifoldly...

What are you going to do with the child that results? Will the government be providing it with food, shelter, comfort, and love? Will the government be providing it with a happy home with Ward and June as loving parents in a lovely two story bungalow in the suburbs?

 

[Minister of Truth]

The government will provide it with a kind, loving, bullet to the head.

 

[tekkychick]

I am astounded by this thread. I am astounded to live in a country where men take power and then institute laws like this. How is it that right on this very board, we can have a man instructing us what a transvaginal ultrasound is like? Because he" watched them use it on his wife"? And then starts talking about his colon. Has anyone ever seen a more egregious example of male supremacy? This is actually sick.

Several years ago, because of a false positive on a particular test, I underwent several transvaginal ultrasounds. I can tell YOU what they are like, I do not need a man to tell me. Do you have a fucking vagina? I mean, this is outrageous. I can't get over it.

They are extremely unpleasant and difficult to get through. And that is when they are consensual and medically necessary. As a woman who has had them, (most importantly; AS A WOMAN), yes I can imagine what it might be like if I were pregnant and seeking an abortion and forced to have it to shame and punish me. I don't know how anything can be more like rape. I believe it will trigger some women into flashbacks. It is meant to shame and punish, and all you have to do is read the statements of the men who are passing these laws, their open, public statements, which come down to; well she let a penis in, we're allowed in too. Guess what? That is the excuse used for rape too! She consented to one man, she's not a virgin, who are we kidding? Once a woman consents to sex with one man, she has consented to all men. I mean, that's textbook.

You men who think this way and who are supporting these laws (and that also includes making excuses for them while clamining not to suppor them), writing these laws, and passing these laws, need to see doctors, but not for ultrasounds, for mri's. If you don't have a brain tumor, you need to be drummed out of decent society. You are unacceptable.

You are simply unacceptable.

BRAVA BRAVA BRAVA!!! Standing ovation!

 

[tekkychick]

We remove the fetus and attempt to save its life progressing the science manifoldly...

Science is working on saving premature babies - it's very hard to save one who is born at 26 or 28 weeks. It can cost a million or more dollars. And you think someone is going to extract 6 week old fetuses and attempt to bring them to birth?

Wow. You ARE a dreamer.

If YOU want to work on that, go for it. Hope you're rich. The rest of us are dealing with reality; what pregnant women can do right now.

 

[tekkychick]

Here is a very beautiful, hopeful, and informative first person account of a young woman who was duped by radical facists like 3D and Superfreak: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html

It's important to read for those who actually are ignorant of the facts. But for others like me, who are not ignorant of those facts, it's a wonderful read anyway. I would never want to lose my patience with an honest young woman, or young man I suppose, who was brainwashed into these beliefs, but really do have a woman's best interests at heart, and are intelligent, independent, and inquisitive enough to seek out the truth. It's important to me to be open to those very young people who are sincere and not to judge them. I was not brought up by controlling lunatics and cannot know what nonsense I might believe if I had been.

Being young, innocent, sincere, and truly wanting to help not control or harm women, does not describe any of you radical facists on this board. It's important in life though. A very nice thing for me to read and to remember. She taught me something.

Thanks for the article, Darla! I hadn't seen it before.

This quote from NYT sums it up well:

A comprehensive global study of abortion has concluded that abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not, suggesting that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it.
Moreover, the researchers found that abortion was safe in countries where it was legal, but dangerous in countries where it was outlawed and performed clandestinely.

Also like how she discusses that the anti-choice movement opposes more use of contraceptives which are, of course, the best way to reduce the number of abortions

and

Highly restrictive abortion laws are not associated with lower abortion rates. For example, the abortion rate is 29 per 1,000 women of childbearing age in Africa and 32 per 1,000 in Latin America—regions in which abortion is illegal under most circumstances in the majority of countries. The rate is 12 per 1,000 in Western Europe, where abortion is generally permitted on broad grounds.

and

I realized that the only world in which opposing birth control made any sense was one in which the goal was to control women’s sex lives.

and

I realized, then, that if the goal is to cut the abortion rate, the pro-life movement should be working to make sure that women can afford to have and care for children. After all, a full three quarters of women who have abortions say they could not afford a child. If we found a way to offer more aid to parents, if we mandated things like paid maternity leave, subsidized childcare, and universal health insurance for pregnant women and for children, some women who would otherwise abort would almost certainly decide to carry their pregnancies to term. But the odd thing is, those who identify as “pro-life” are most adamant in opposing these kind of reforms. I knew this back in 2007, because I grew up in one of those families. I grew up believing that welfare should be abolished, that Head Start needed to be eliminated, that medicaid just enabled people to be lazy. I grew up in a family that wanted to abolish some of the very programs with the potential to decrease the number of abortions. When I shifted my position on this issue, I was in many ways simply becoming consistent.

(posting some excerpts in case some people don't feel like clicking on the link)

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

Thanks for the article, Darla! I hadn't seen it before.

This quote from NYT sums it up well:

Also like how she discusses that the anti-choice movement opposes more use of contraceptives which are, of course, the best way to reduce the number of abortions

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and

Yes it was awesome, and the NY Times article she links to is very informative as well, especially when on running into antis on the internet who pull "facts" out of thin air. THanks!

 

[patriot66]

Yes it was awesome, and the NY Times article she links to is very informative as well, especially when on running into antis on the internet who pull "facts" out of thin air. THanks!

Answer the question, you don't want women to have the ultrasound to see what they are killing,
but you are ok with the killing, and in the case of partial birth abortion, delivering a baby except for the head, jamming a vacuum in the back of the skull, and the sucking out the brain, and then dismembering the rest of the baby, wow that doesn't sound invasive at all. You people probably all belong to PETA too don't you, you disgust me. Your sickness is in full effect.

 

[Howey]

Answer the question, you don't want women to have the ultrasound to see what they are killing,
but you are ok with the killing, and in the case of partial birth abortion, delivering a baby except for the head, jamming a vacuum in the back of the skull, and the sucking out the brain, and then dismembering the rest of the baby, wow that doesn't sound invasive at all. You people probably all belong to PETA too don't you, you disgust me. Your sickness is in full effect.

Aren't you the one who had essentially a late term abortion on your own "child"?

 

[patriot66]

Aren't you the one who had essentially a late term abortion on your own "child"?

In that case the Baby had no chance of life outside the womb, and the mothers life was in danger, that and rape account for 1% of abortions which I would support, even to the disliking of some of my Christian friends. next

 

[tekkychick]

Answer the question, you don't want women to have the ultrasound to see what they are killing,
.

I don't want the ultrasound because it is medically unnecessary and just an extra cost to the woman.

Women know what is in their body. They don't need an ultrasound.

It's a group of cells, unable to survive on its own.

YOU just want women to suffer. That's sick.

 

[Rune]

Answer the question, you don't want women to have the ultrasound to see what they are killing,
but you are ok with the killing, and in the case of partial birth abortion, delivering a baby except for the head, jamming a vacuum in the back of the skull, and the sucking out the brain, and then dismembering the rest of the baby, wow that doesn't sound invasive at all. You people probably all belong to PETA too don't you, you disgust me. Your sickness is in full effect.

Notice how no one gives a shit what you say? Fuck off.

 

[Howey]

In that case the Baby had no chance of life outside the womb, and the mothers life was in danger, that and rape account for 1% of abortions which I would support, even to the disliking of some of my Christian friends. next

You're making excuses.