"Science" textbook for fundamentalist homeschoolers

Well, he kinda does get it...in a Forrest Gump sort of way...

And he even admits it's public school funds being used. He's just not smart enough to realize it.

Can someone answer a question? What happens to the public school where those funds were supposed to go to?

Seems to me, once the funds are no longer public school funds, and have instead been turned into an individual voucher, they can no longer be public funds. Maybe I am dumb, but how can you give something back to someone and still claim it is yours?

I can answer your question, but this is a two-way convo, you have to answer mine, and you won't. That's why you're still on ignore.

Those public schools will have to compete for voucher money, and this might actually involve improving academic standards and firing sorry teachers. I don't personally care what happens to them, if they are failing and can't educate our children properly, they need to go away, in my opinion.
 
Seems to me, once the funds are no longer public school funds, and have instead been turned into an individual voucher, they can no longer be public funds. Maybe I am dumb, but how can you give something back to someone and still claim it is yours?

I can answer your question, but this is a two-way convo, you have to answer mine, and you won't. That's why you're still on ignore.

Those public schools will have to compete for voucher money, and this might actually involve improving academic standards and firing sorry teachers. I don't personally care what happens to them, if they are failing and can't educate our children properly, they need to go away, in my opinion.

No 'maybe' about it.
 
I did not defend teaching ID in public schools. I simply said that I would need to see links before I believed that the textbook discussed in the OP will be used by any public schools. Your link was very interesting, but I did not see where it said anything about the textbook in question.

I don't know about that book in particular.. and I'm still on the 1st page of this thread and don't know if your question has been answered, but a cpl years ago and tiny town in Texas where a christian fundamentalist was the leader of the school board, intended a great many screwy things to be in TX text books.. now, normally who would care? If TX wants to produce (to steal FN FS2000's hilarious description) a pack of full service gas station attendants, then so be it.. But TX shapes what the rest of the country gets in it's text books with their buying power.. so if they get it in theirs, the rest of us will be infected with their stupid..

anyway, here a cpl links on that whole hullabaloo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bryan-monroe/how-texas-school-board-tr_b_586633.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/...98003.html#s73765&title=Thomas_Jefferson_Whos
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/educ...as-State-Board-of-Education-approves-9206.ece

that last one tells that they've decided Joe McCarthy wasn't really a douche and they're going to teach their kids that..

and finally..

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html

talk about indoctrination...

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so anyway.. *shrug*.. it's pretty scary what the fundamentalists get to teach our kids
 
Which supports the whole "get rid of the Department of Education" meme. The other thing these vouchers do is put kids under unqualified teachers.

Quite the contrary, vouchers ensure the quality of the teacher will be impeccable. Remember that old pesky capitalistic thing called competition?

We don't need a Federal department of Education. We have 50 State departments of education. We still do need a Secretary of Education, to ensure states maintain academic standards, so that graduates have some level of basic knowledge entering college, etc. But the bulk of our education, as far as taxpayers are concerned, should be turned back over to the states and people respectfully, pursuant to the Constitution.
 
Quite the contrary, vouchers ensure the quality of the teacher will be impeccable. Remember that old pesky capitalistic thing called competition?

We don't need a Federal department of Education. We have 50 State departments of education. We still do need a Secretary of Education, to ensure states maintain academic standards, so that graduates have some level of basic knowledge entering college, etc. But the bulk of our education, as far as taxpayers are concerned, should be turned back over to the states and people respectfully, pursuant to the Constitution.

The voucher system destroys competition by removing public schools from the equation via 'starving the beast'.


Idiot.
 
With all due respect, you can't really tell us why electricity exists, can you? You can explain how it works, you can explain what causes it, but you can't tell us where it came from or why? I think this is what the book is pointing out, of course, we only get the snippet and not the entire chapter, so we don't really know much... just what the lying shit turds want us to know.

I tell ya what isn't 'acceptable' to me, is censoring information from people under the guise of 'education.' To refuse even mentioning creation theory, even in the context of... Hey, here's something some people happen to believe... I don't get what't the harm in teaching this, can YOU explain? It's funny that we can start threads here and have hundreds or thousands respond, and a robust debate from both sides, yet this is forbidden in schools from even teaching there IS a debate?


Must...support..Republicans!
 
1) How did the human eye evolve?
The same way all evolutions occurs. Mutation.
2) What came first the ability to see or the ability to hear?
Sight. Of course prior to sight, primitive fish used an electromagnetic 'feeler' system, much like they do today, and sight was ancillary.
3) When did man develop the ability to convert ATP to ADP?
I don't think you understand basic biology if you're asking such a retarded question. Such biological processes came long before mammals, let alone humans.

Thanks in advance for your contribution to the advancement of science.
You're welcome.
 
I do not agree with teaching ID in conjunction with actual science. That is what I have seen that they want, for science to share space with intelligent design. If that is done, the voucher programs can take kids from under-performing, bad schools and get them a better quality education, even if some extra nonscientific information is taught.

But this textbook makes a mockery of education altogether and lies to the student outright.

a voucher program makes 'under preforming and bad schools' even worse and it turns good schools into bad and under preforming ones because takes gov't money away from those schools and gives it to private ones..like church-based schools.. who can teach anything they want because they are private entities...and that means using these books.

the voucher program will kill public schools.. which is the goal since the GOP hates public schools and think everything in the whole should be profit based.. schools,jails,your health...

the irony is of course the same people who will shout and scream about the gov't spending and how the private sector doesn't need or want gov't and how evil 'solyndra' type gov't spending it..... are more than happy for the gov't to give money to private business for their profits..

it alll boils down to public schools and universities are the largest and last 'center-leaning' apparatuses in this country and they hate it.. so much so they want to destroy it.. so they can teach our kids about (and only) 'white,christian,republican,conservative'.. that's the goal here.. and it's being hidden under the words 'under preforming and bad' schools..

get rid of 'fcat'.. implement 'merit-based' tenure and raises.. any number of other options are better at fixing our schools than a voucher program that's sole intent is the destruction of another 'publicly funded' program that teaches an all encompassing curriculum, that includes gays and blacks.. instead of teach how Joe McCarthy was righteous and Reaganomics is the shizzle..
 
Excuse me, is there something in the textbook we are discussing here, that infers hate or persecution? If so, can you point that out? Because I ain't seeing it.

And now...his excuses becoming more and more contorted as he continues to try and justify the blatant stupidity displayed in that text book, Dixie desperately attempts to get the debate diverted.
 
a voucher program makes 'under preforming and bad schools' even worse and it turns good schools into bad and under preforming ones because takes gov't money away from those schools and gives it to private ones..like church-based schools.. who can teach anything they want because they are private entities...and that means using these books.

the voucher program will kill public schools.. which is the goal since the GOP hates public schools and think everything in the whole should be profit based.. schools,jails,your health...

the irony is of course the same people who will shout and scream about the gov't spending and how the private sector doesn't need or want gov't and how evil 'solyndra' type gov't spending it..... are more than happy for the gov't to give money to private business for their profits..

it alll boils down to public schools and universities are the largest and last 'center-leaning' apparatuses in this country and they hate it.. so much so they want to destroy it.. so they can teach our kids about (and only) 'white,christian,republican,conservative'.. that's the goal here.. and it's being hidden under the words 'under preforming and bad' schools..

get rid of 'fcat'.. implement 'merit-based' tenure and raises.. any number of other options are better at fixing our schools than a voucher program that's sole intent is the destruction of another 'publicly funded' program that teaches an all encompassing curriculum, that includes gays and blacks.. instead of teach how Joe McCarthy was righteous and Reaganomics is the shizzle..

If public schools are in fact worse than private schools, as you insinuate here, why are you afraid of better schools?
 
Actually, anyone who would say that there is "no debate" when it comes to science, obviously doesn't believe in science. Anyone who says there is consensus in science, doesn't believe in science.


But, let's have some fun. Since you say there is no debate that man in his present form is 100% a product of evolution, then you and science can answer a few questions for me.

1) How did the human eye evolve?
2) What came first the ability to see or the ability to hear?
3) When did man develop the ability to convert ATP to ADP?

Thanks in advance for your contribution to the advancement of science.

The eye thing has been debunked so many times it is laughable. This idea that the eye had to come into being as a fully formed organ, or it wouldn't be helpful at all, ignores the long line of light sensitive organs in lower animals. There are organs that simply react slightly to light. There are organs that react to intensity of light. And pretty much every stage in between that and our eyes.

Let me ask you one in return. If the human body was designed by God, why did He include an organ like the apendix, with no use?
 
Like I explained, there is plenty of justification if you are a Christian, and if you have the whole book. You can't see any justification because A) You're not a Christian, and B) You don't have the book. I offered a perfectly legitimate and plausible explanation, perhaps that was part of the 'forward' in the chapter, and served to establish some fundamentalist Christian point, (being it's a Christian school book) instead of actually teaching nuts and bolts of science, and the actual 'science' part comes later in the chapter? You don't know that not to be the case because you don't have the book. You're taking something that was given in one context, and using it in another. You're basing everything they teach regarding science, on this one page, and I'm sorry, no science class can be taught on one page. You're demanding they explain something as complex as electricity on the one representative page you've pulled, and since they don't explain it to your satisfaction, you want to proclaim they are stupid people who are backward-educating their kids.... well, guess what, Mr. Brilliant, in order for students to obtain a high school diploma in any state, certain things have to be taught and learned, including things in science. There is no way this could be the spectacle you have created, no Christian school student would ever get a diploma. The fact that Christian school students get diplomas every day, is an indication your chain is being yanked here, and there's more than meets the eye... I'm guessing, in the remaining pages of this book you don't have.

So you do think its a matter of subsequent pages saying "Ok, we were just kidding, here is how electricity works". lol

And Dixie, before you continue on your rant about a textbook for Christian schools, you might want to reread the OP. It is NOT a textbook for any school. It is written to be used for homeschooling. But thanks for showing that you can ignore what you don't want to see.

Oh, and just to clarify,yes Dixie I am a Christian. Unlike some who are and try to pretend they are just spiritual.
 
With all due respect, you can't really tell us why electricity exists, can you? You can explain how it works, you can explain what causes it, but you can't tell us where it came from or why? I think this is what the book is pointing out, of course, we only get the snippet and not the entire chapter, so we don't really know much... just what the lying shit turds want us to know.

Jesus on the cross! Please stop. Please stop excusing and defending stupid just because it comes from your party. You're not helping this country or the people in it. We are not a country full of back woods,bush people who haven't learned because we're restricted from it..we're part of a world and our kids will not be able to sustain this country or it's greatness by teaching them stupid just because you're unwavering support of anything that comes from the idiot-extreme of your party. This kind of dumb is unacceptable in a world where the Chinese,Russians and Iranians would love to topple us.. and will in a dozen years if this is the education being given to the next generation..

so just stop.. it's fucked up, you know it.. now have the balls to say it.

I tell ya what isn't 'acceptable' to me, is censoring information from people under the guise of 'education.' To refuse even mentioning creation theory, even in the context of... Hey, here's something some people happen to believe... I don't get what't the harm in teaching this, can YOU explain? It's funny that we can start threads here and have hundreds or thousands respond, and a robust debate from both sides, yet this is forbidden in schools from even teaching there IS a debate?

because that's what church is for.. if you want your kids to have both,send them to both.. you don't, dont... Some people don't believe in that religion so why force them to learn it? Unless of course you're also willing to force your kids to learn how the god Brahma, from a Trimurti of three Gods also including Vishnu and Shiva, is described as performing the act of 'creation', or more specifically of 'propagating life within the universe'* is also valid, but no..no you aren't, you want to teach what your God says..and to hell with the others..

don't you get that, your God isn't everyone's God.. so stop forcing him to be.

let the schools be for school and the church be for whatever religion you chose to worship.. how simple is that?


*from wiki on Hinduism and evolution..
 
Jesus on the cross! Please stop. Please stop excusing and defending stupid just because it comes from your party. You're not helping this country or the people in it. We are not a country full of back woods,bush people who haven't learned because we're restricted from it..we're part of a world and our kids will not be able to sustain this country or it's greatness by teaching them stupid just because you're unwavering support of anything that comes from the idiot-extreme of your party. This kind of dumb is unacceptable in a world where the Chinese,Russians and Iranians would love to topple us.. and will in a dozen years if this is the education being given to the next generation..

so just stop.. it's fucked up, you know it.. now have the balls to say it.

Careful there, ekg... you're going to have a heart attack! Obviously the propagandist was brilliant in his work, because you have bought it. No one is excusing anything, no one is defending stupid. We're talking about a Christian school science book, that some godless schmuck ripped a page from, and concocted a clever smear piece from, and here you are like a gullible little puppy to lap it all up. No we're not backwoods bush people, we're apparently gullible dolts who will buy whatever some turdhead propagandist spews out, because it's easier for us to bash God than accept people believing differently than us.

The Republican party did not write this science book, again, it is a Christian school book, for Christians in Christian school. What you see me defending here, is the TRUTH, against a backdrop of hateful anti-religious bullshit. It's important for reasonable people to remember, this is a 4th grade science book, not a senior high school book. I guarantee you, I can go to ANY 4th grade science book, and find a single page to ridicule and mock, and I bet you it would be just as stupid sounding as anything you've presented here. Why? Because, in 4th grade, you are fucking illiterate of science! First through third grade, you learned to read and write, didn't study much science, because counting, reading and writing, are more important fundamentals. So we are seeing the first glimpse a student in a Christian school is getting of science. And again, we're given a single page to evaluate a whole book. But that's not a problem for a genius like you, right? Wye, you can read one page, and automatically know everything about the whole entire book, because you are just that fucking smart, right?

None of this has to do with our failing public education system. Christian schools are not responsible for that. In fact, when we look at grades and test scores, faith-based schools beat the living dog crap out of public schools. What? The propagandist didn't tell you that? Well, he also didn't tell you that every graduating senior in America has to take a test and pass it, in order to get a diploma. Seems like something this logical would have been mentioned. It doesn't matter if you used this book in 4th grade and went to Christian school, or another book in public school where the mention of God is forbidden, you still have to pass a basic aptitude test, including stuff on science, in order to graduate high school in America. Surely, you are smart enough to get that?

What's fucked up, is all the problems in the world, and you are focused on trying to tell people how they can worship in America. Why not stay the fuck out of the Christian schools business, and let them educate their children as they please, and you can do the same? Why do you feel compelled to stick your nose where it doesn't belong? You don't mind telling traditionalists to fuck off and let you do as you please, but you want to meddle in the affairs of Christians educating their own? Do you even comprehend how fucked up that is?

because that's what church is for.. if you want your kids to have both,send them to both.. you don't, dont... Some people don't believe in that religion so why force them to learn it? Unless of course you're also willing to force your kids to learn how the god Brahma, from a Trimurti of three Gods also including Vishnu and Shiva, is described as performing the act of 'creation', or more specifically of 'propagating life within the universe'* is also valid, but no..no you aren't, you want to teach what your God says..and to hell with the others..

don't you get that, your God isn't everyone's God.. so stop forcing him to be.

let the schools be for school and the church be for whatever religion you chose to worship.. how simple is that?

Here's my philosophy when it comes to education... err on the side of TOO MUCH! I'd rather teach them EVERYTHING than to filter out the things this group or that group don't want people to know, that's just my personal opinion on the matter, you can refute me if you like. I don't see any problem with teaching creation theory as one of the theories people believe, and you know what else, jackboot? I don't even mind teaching them that for decades, secular anti-religious nitwits tried to prevent us from teaching you that people have a difference of opinion when it comes to origin of life!

Now on the the question of MY GOD. I haven't mentioned anything about my personal religious beliefs here, you assume I must be a Christian, because I am not joining in on the Christian Hatefest. But I am more like a Spiritual Mercenary here. I believe in a Spiritual God, but it's more of an energy source than something with humanistic attribute. Personally, I believe this entity created everything in the universe, including your perceptions and experiences in the thing you call life. I don't care if we teach that to kids in school, I think it's important information for people to know. I would love to see schools teach comparative religious studies class, where all kinds of spiritual beliefs are studied. But you don't see me posting threads about it, or compiling propaganda to smear public education because they don't allow it. That's because of my POLITICAL philosophy, which is completely different from my spiritual one. I understand spiritual faith is a touchy subject, especially to school kids, and it is indeed the job of the church. But teaching that people have difference of opinion regarding the origins of life, is not teaching spiritual faith, it is acknowledgment of truth. In education, I always err on the side of truth.
 
The eye thing has been debunked so many times it is laughable. This idea that the eye had to come into being as a fully formed organ, or it wouldn't be helpful at all, ignores the long line of light sensitive organs in lower animals. There are organs that simply react slightly to light. There are organs that react to intensity of light. And pretty much every stage in between that and our eyes.

Let me ask you one in return. If the human body was designed by God, why did He include an organ like the apendix, with no use?

Of no use that we know of, at this time; but how do you know it didn't have a use previously?
 
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