"Science" textbook for fundamentalist homeschoolers

[Mott the Hoople]

Which we don't REALLY know, because we only have a single page of this textbook, and it's 4th grade BEGINNING science.

Again.... EVERY student who earns a diploma in America, has to pass an aptitude test, there is no getting around that. So at some point, they have to be educated about electricity, and know that it's not simply some mystery from God. One way we can confirm they are being educated, is the fact that faith-based graduates have higher test scores than those attending public school. How is that possible if they are just throwing up their hands and saying goddidit?

Well as for the text, with out seeing the entirety of the lesson plan, I have to give it the benefit of the doubt in that nothing that was states in technically incorrect. As for faith based education, sorry Dixie, the data I'm seeing is that they do about the same and that about the only real advantage to a private high school, paraticularly an elite one, is the students tend to score higher in SAT/ACT test and get admitted to better colleges. Once they get there though those advantages tend to dissappear.

The studies I've seen show that family background has more to do with success in academia in general and math and science in particular.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Tom, you and Mott are going to confuse the ever living hell out of Dixie.

Well not to point out the obvious....

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dixie, do you believe that the earth is 6,000 years old?

Do you believe it's hollow with gnomes and fairies running around inside?

Why does my personal belief have anything to do with this topic? We have a Christian school science book, which has been singled out and put on trial by some atheist punk with too much time on his hands, and our gullible idiots here have served as his jury, but there seems to be an important element missing. I am merely offering my services as defense in the case, and I think I've done an exceptional Perry Mason type job, to be honest.

We don't have the entire book, so we can't really judge it.

This is 4th grade, so what is taught at this age in science, is not crucial to much of anything.

These are Christian people educating their Christian children with Christian values... their Constitutional RIGHT!

Christian school students ultimately have to meet the same academic standards as everyone else, to get a diploma.

And OH by the freaking way... Graduates of Christian schools have an enormously higher college acceptance rate than public school graduates.

 

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Tom, you and Mott are going to confuse the ever living hell out of Dixie.

So he won't be interested in the eg and t2g doubly and triply degenerate d-orbitals?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Well as for the text, with out seeing the entirety of the lesson plan, I have to give it the benefit of the doubt in that nothing that was states in technically incorrect. As for faith based education, sorry Dixie, the data I'm seeing is that they do about the same and that about the only real advantage to a private high school, paraticularly an elite one, is the students tend to score higher in SAT/ACT test and get admitted to better colleges. Once they get there though those advantages tend to dissappear.

The studies I've seen show that family background has more to do with success in academia in general and math and science in particular.

Graduates from faith-based education have a much higher acceptance rate into college, and much higher SAT/ACT scores on average. You can hem-haw about how they do in college, but the job of primary education is to get them to college. This is clearly done better by faith-based schools, and whether that is because of socioeconomic factors or family background, it's not going to erase these results. You can't support an argument they are not educating children properly, because, OBVIOUSLY, they ARE!

 

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Graduates from faith-based education have a much higher acceptance rate into college, and much higher SAT/ACT scores on average. You can hem-haw about how they do in college, but the job of primary education is to get them to college. This is clearly done better by faith-based schools, and whether that is because of socioeconomic factors or family background, it's not going to erase these results. You can't support an argument they are not educating children properly, because, OBVIOUSLY, they ARE!

Cite, please. Your gas doesn't suffice as a 'source' of anything but hot air.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Graduates from faith-based education have a much higher acceptance rate into college, and much higher SAT/ACT scores on average. You can hem-haw about how they do in college, but the job of primary education is to get them to college. This is clearly done better by faith-based schools, and whether that is because of socioeconomic factors or family background, it's not going to erase these results. You can't support an argument they are not educating children properly, because, OBVIOUSLY, they ARE!

I'd have to ask you to cite that then. The fact is, the same numbers that go to college from public schools, go to school from public schools. It's also true that when you with draw Catholic High Schools from the mix that evengelical and conservative christian high schools perform poorly across the board, not just math and science.

Again, it's a stupid argument. The value a family places in academics and in learning math & science are far more determinitive than whether or not a school is private or public, faith based or secular. Though in your parts you may have a point. I saw how South Carolina destroyed their public system in a self destructive attempt to deny fair access to education for African Americans. The end result is that their public school systems do indeed suck but that has absolutely nothing to do with an inherent superiority of faith based private schools and has everything to do with a bunch of mean assholes who want to deny racial minorities a quality education. I'm not as familiar with Alabama's public high schools but that could be the case there too. It wouldn't surprize me.

 

[Rationalist]

Do you believe it's hollow with gnomes and fairies running around inside?

No. Do you?

Why does my personal belief have anything to do with this topic? We have a Christian school science book, which has been singled out and put on trial by some atheist punk with too much time on his hands, and our gullible idiots here have served as his jury, but there seems to be an important element missing. I am merely offering my services as defense in the case, and I think I've done an exceptional Perry Mason type job, to be honest.

We don't have the entire book, so we can't really judge it.

This is 4th grade, so what is taught at this age in science, is not crucial to much of anything.

These are Christian people educating their Christian children with Christian values... their Constitutional RIGHT!

Christian school students ultimately have to meet the same academic standards as everyone else, to get a diploma.

And OH by the freaking way... Graduates of Christian schools have an enormously higher college acceptance rate than public school graduates.

I asked because you are unrelenting in your attacks on modern science.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I asked because you are unrelenting in your attacks on modern science.

What the fuck is "modern" science?

Is that like where we take certain scientific theories and turn them into convenient facts?

Is that where science 'disproves' God?

Maybe "modern" science is the kind of science spoken of in my sig line?

The kind that can't be challenged or questioned, without being ridiculed and ostracized?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I'd have to ask you to cite that then. The fact is, the same numbers that go to college from public schools, go to school from public schools. It's also true that when you with draw Catholic High Schools from the mix that evengelical and conservative christian high schools perform poorly across the board, not just math and science.

Again, it's a stupid argument. The value a family places in academics and in learning math & science are far more determinitive than whether or not a school is private or public, faith based or secular. Though in your parts you may have a point. I saw how South Carolina destroyed their public system in a self destructive attempt to deny fair access to education for African Americans. The end result is that their public school systems do indeed suck but that has absolutely nothing to do with an inherent superiority of faith based private schools and has everything to do with a bunch of mean assholes who want to deny racial minorities a quality education. I'm not as familiar with Alabama's public high schools but that could be the case there too. It wouldn't surprize me.

I don't do the 'cite' thing, you'll have to look it up yourself.

You say it's a stupid argument, then admit that it doesn't matter. But if it doesn't matter and it's stupid to argue, why not let the people who want to do it, have at it? I don't get it. What's your beef? They aren't hurting anything, and there is the off-chance they might actually cause standards to improve, so why not at least try? Just admitting that our public government-run school system is a sewer pit and refusing to climb out, is not a plan.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

What the fuck is "modern" science?

Is that like where we take certain scientific theories and turn them into convenient facts?

Is that where science 'disproves' God?

Science has never claimed such a feat.

Maybe "modern" science is the kind of science spoken of in my sig line?

The kind that can't be challenged or questioned, without being ridiculed and ostracized?

Dixie, Science is all about challenge and questioning, but not from a pedestal of ignorance. It requires facts and data, not stupid statements like "no one knows WHY electrons do the things they do!" That's not debate and that's not questioning or legitimately challenging a scientific theory. That's being a retard.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Science has never claimed such a feat.

Dixie, Science is all about challenge and questioning, but not from a pedestal of ignorance. It requires facts and data, not stupid statements like "no one knows WHY electrons do the things they do!" That's not debate and that's not questioning or legitimately challenging a scientific theory. That's being a retard.

Nope... as Mott pointed out, we DON'T KNOW WHY electrons do the things they do. The text is not inaccurate, you simply disagree with it.

I know that Science has never claimed such a feat, but "modern nit wits" practicing "modern science" claim it all the time... look at my sig line, link included.

 

[zappasguitar]

I don't do the 'cite' thing, you'll have to look it up yourself.

You say it's a stupid argument, then admit that it doesn't matter. But if it doesn't matter and it's stupid to argue, why not let the people who want to do it, have at it? I don't get it. What's your beef? They aren't hurting anything, and there is the off-chance they might actually cause standards to improve, so why not at least try? Just admitting that our public government-run school system is a sewer pit and refusing to climb out, is not a plan.

That's right...you don't do the cite thing.

That's why virtually no one believes what you post anymore.

You demand others provide proof but won't do the same yourself.

 

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Nope... as Mott pointed out, we DON'T KNOW WHY electrons do the things they do. The text is not inaccurate, you simply disagree with it.

I know that Science has never claimed such a feat, but "modern nit wits" practicing "modern science" claim it all the time... look at my sig line, link included.

Hasn't anybody ever told you about quantum mechanics? How the fuck do you think it is possible to build CPUs which have transistor count of billions without understanding how electricity works??

 

[Mott the Hoople]

So he won't be interested in the eg and t2g doubly and triply degenerate d-orbitals?

Dude....he couldn't even get past cabons sp4 hybrodized orbital.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I don't do the 'cite' thing, you'll have to look it up yourself.

You say it's a stupid argument, then admit that it doesn't matter. But if it doesn't matter and it's stupid to argue, why not let the people who want to do it, have at it? I don't get it. What's your beef? They aren't hurting anything, and there is the off-chance they might actually cause standards to improve, so why not at least try? Just admitting that our public government-run school system is a sewer pit and refusing to climb out, is not a plan.

I didn't cite a beef. I just disagreed wtih you about the peformance of faith based schools in teaching math and science. The data I've seen would indicate that you are wrong. The data I've seen indicates that private Catholic high schools teach math and science about as well as public schools do and that evengelical and conservative christian privates schools perform significantly lower than public schools and Catholic schools in math and science.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Science has never claimed such a feat.


Dixie, Science is all about challenge and questioning, but not from a pedestal of ignorance. It requires facts and data, not stupid statements like "no one knows WHY electrons do the things they do!" That's not debate and that's not questioning or legitimately challenging a scientific theory. That's being a retard.

Misconstruing an understanding of the limits of human knowledge with ignorance certainly is retarded.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Nope... as Mott pointed out, we DON'T KNOW WHY electrons do the things they do. The text is not inaccurate, you simply disagree with it.

I know that Science has never claimed such a feat, but "modern nit wits" practicing "modern science" claim it all the time... look at my sig line, link included.

Well actually we do have a pretty good idea of why electrons do what they do. We just don't have a good understanding of what they are and where they come from and what "electricity" is. Yea I'll stand by the statement that was shown as being factually correct given that it was shown with pretty much no context.

 

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Dude....he couldn't even get past cabons sp4 hybrodized orbital.

Don't confuse the man, an sp4 hybridised carbon atom does not exist since carbon only has valency of four which means you can have sp, sp2 and sp3 hybridisation.

sp3 hybrid for methane

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Hasn't anybody ever told you about quantum mechanics? How the fuck do you think it is possible to build CPUs which have transistor count of billions without understanding how electricity works??

That's not what the text that was posted in the OP stated. Go back and read it. It's factually correct but yes, we know a great deal about electricty to state the obvious but as to what the exact true nature of electricity is and where it ultimately comes from is still a mystery to us.

The comment that was posted in the OP about electricity wasn't innaccurate nor unscientific.