Russia’s ‘Dirty Bomb’ Scare

[Scott]

As an articulate member with sincere values and a novel slant on politics you will attract the conditioned forum dross. Pretty soon you're likely to discover that the uncivil dead-heads sullying your threads begins to mirror my thread-banned list.

You may well be right. At this point, I've already got a name on my list for future threads.

 

[dukkha]

Why would Russia bother with a dirty bomb? Those are nearly worthless except as a terrorist weapon. If you can hit a target with a dirty bomb, why not hit it with something that will do real and serious damage instead? Spreading around some radiological material that consists of mostly alpha and beta emitters (types of radiation for you Leftist scientific illiterates) does little or nothing compared to blowing shit up or coating everything in mustard gas.

Hell, with cooler weather mustard gas is the gift that keeps on giving. It would produce horrific and immediate casualties for months. Conventional explosives and things like fuel-air explosives would demolish buildings and create immediate casualties or a large area. A dirty bomb is mostly a scare tactic. People won't be affected by one for months, or years. It's mostly a pollution problem and little more.

I guess the tards at the NYTs never took any science courses either...

agreed. it's western dezinformatsia or just poor intelligence. dirty bomb might be done by Ukraine
@Donbas - but i see no reason to think it's any possibility

 

[Scott]

Scott Ritter was once a reliable authority on Nuclear weapons and our Nuclear adversaries.

I agreed with him in lock step that the IRAQ war was a scam to enrich certain companies, certain privileged individuals, and the Industrial WAR COMPLEX, as well as make Bush a wartime president for certain political gain.

Glad we have something in common there at least.

I never agreed with him that the Iran Deal was a scam to allow Iran to continue developing nuclear weapons.

I'm thinking you may have Scott Ritter confused with someone else. Scott Ritter has been critical of the U.S. and others in the west in regards to the Iran nuclear deal, not Iran:
Scott Ritter: The Escalating Crisis Over Iran’s Nuclear Inspections | Consortium News

And then the man ended up in prison for being an attempted child molester that was caught through more than one sting.

I did hear about that. Both times police decoys posing as teens. He certainly has his flaws, but I haven't seen any evidence that this has messed up his journalism in regards to the Ukraine war.

Ritter rejects the Western media's coverage of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and has voiced his perspective on multiple podcasts, including FOX NEWS Andrew Napolitano's.

The western -mainstream- media's coverage, yes:
https://news.yahoo.com/poll-finds-majority-americans-dont-105409581.html

 

[cancel2 2022]

What "Russian propaganda"? Neither of the 2 articles I cited in the opening post were even from Russian news outlets. The first was the New York Times, the second was from Consortium News.

She is a crazy Californicator, pay her no mind.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Common Sense: if everyone was wringing their hands about the possibility of an errant shell cracking open one of the 15 nuke plants, then the use of any types of nuclear weapons would be just plain stupid. Bottom line: a lot of hype, bluff and bluster with a heavy dose of speculation by everyone to obfuscate the true military situation there (IMHO, of course).

 

[moon]

You may well be right. At this point, I've already got a name on my list for future threads.

To its credit, forum censorship is minimal- but you can protect your health by filtering out the most virulent carriers of personalized filth and political horse-apples.


Haw, haw............................................haw.

Fair sailing.

 

[Scott]

On April 6, 2022, Ritter was suspended from Twitter for violating its rule on "harassment and abuse" after he posted a tweet falsely claiming that the National Police of Ukraine is responsible for the Bucha massacre and calling U.S. President Joe Biden a "war criminal" for "seeking to shift blame for the Bucha murders" to Russia.

Do you have any evidence that Ritter's claim was false? I just found a new article from Scott Ritter (published in late October) with what I believe is a lot of evidence that he was quite right. I made a thread of it, here:

Bucha, Revisited | justplainpolitics.com

 

[Scott]

My first instinct since you posted was that you and Moon are a lot closer than you are admitting.

Until Moon responded to one of my posts in one of these threads, I'd never conversed with her before.

 

[Scott]

To its credit, forum censorship is minimal- but you can protect your health by filtering out the most virulent carriers of personalized filth and political horse-apples.


Haw, haw............................................haw.

Fair sailing.

Just made a thread and put one person on the thread banned list. I'm hoping to keep such lists short and perhaps even removing names over time, but we'll see.

 

[Scott]

What you think works may not be a good example of what works


We are facing a huge push of foreign influence on our nation of disinformation


We can’t believe Putins lackeys on anything

Who determines who Putin's lackeys are, you?

 

[Scott]

So is it your contention that Russia will, or will not, use a dirty bomb or a tactical nuke in Ukraine? If they were to do so, what would you expect the U.S. response to be?

As someone else posted here, Russia has real nukes. They have no need to use dirty bombs. As to whether they'll actually use one of them, I'm hopeful that they never feel the need to. The problem is NATO's continuing to supply Ukraine with weapons, making this in essence a war between NATO and Russia, even if NATO isn't putting its troops on the front lines.

 

[moon]

Just made a thread and put one person on the thread banned list. I'm hoping to keep such lists short and perhaps even removing names over time, but we'll see.

Yes, my list evolves to take account of embarrassed departees, mask-free Covid victims , expired socks and ECT patients.



Haw, haw...............................haw.

 

[Scott]

Why would Russia bother with a dirty bomb? Those are nearly worthless except as a terrorist weapon. If you can hit a target with a dirty bomb, why not hit it with something that will do real and serious damage instead? Spreading around some radiological material that consists of mostly alpha and beta emitters (types of radiation for you Leftist scientific illiterates) does little or nothing compared to blowing shit up or coating everything in mustard gas.

Hell, with cooler weather mustard gas is the gift that keeps on giving. It would produce horrific and immediate casualties for months. Conventional explosives and things like fuel-air explosives would demolish buildings and create immediate casualties or a large area. A dirty bomb is mostly a scare tactic. People won't be affected by one for months, or years. It's mostly a pollution problem and little more.

I guess the tards at the NYTs never took any science courses either...

I agree that it makes little sense for Russia to use such a weapon. However, I think it bears noting that it was Russia who was warning its counterparts that they believed that Ukraine had been planning to use such a weapon. Since I don't know Russia's sources, I don't know how probable this was and possibly still is. However, I have read some concerning dirty bombs and it would appear that, as you say, none have ever done that much damage, at least so far.

 

[Scott]

Jacques Baud appeared on Russian TV claiming Putin doesn’t poison his enemies, they just had food poisoning, I think I’ll pass on his authority.

I've heard this claim before. I decided to do a little internet search, came up with this article:

How Accurate is Jacques Baud’s Analysis of the War in Ukraine? | The Daily Sceptic

Quoting from it:
**
First off, being curious by nature, I looked up Jacques Baud online and discovered that in 2020 he went on Russian state TV to say there is “no history of poisoning by the Russian secret services”, that the Skripals simply had a bad case of “food poisoning” and that Alexei Navalny was poisoned not by the state but by some “mafia” people around him. He wasn’t challenged on any of these controversial claims and, regrettably, the Delingpod interview is in a similar vein.
**

It may well be that Baud is mistaken in regards to this, but his article on the war in Ukraine doesn't mention poisoning of any kind.

 

[Scott]

Phoenyx;


There are those that acknowledge the FACT that Ukraine has/had a neo-Nazi problem as personified by its Azov regiment- many of whom the Russians killed at Mariupol- and there are those that don't, despite the FACT of there being countless photos of them with swastikas and other Nazi paraphernalia. The Azovs- and their neo-Nazi henchmen- had no problem burning pro-Russian trade-unionists alive during the 2014 US-led coup and they had no problem shelling these pro-Russian UKRAINIANS for eight years prior to the Russian intervention - so I can't imagine them having any qualms about exploding a dirty bomb among pro-Russian Ukrainians living in the newly-declared Donbas republics. If the Russians were willing to blow up their own gas pipelines- so the Nazi narrative would go- then they'd have no problem with blowing up their own newly-acquired territory . That is the Russian worry, I believe- and the reason they are taking their concerns to the UN.

( Cue some JPP fellatio obsessives )

Agreed.

 

[Scott]

agreed. it's western dezinformatsia or just poor intelligence. dirty bomb might be done by Ukraine
@Donbas - but i see no reason to think it's any possibility

Would be nice to know Russia's intel sources. Anyway, so far, I've heard of no dirty bomb going off, so perhaps the Ukrainians have decided not to go through with it, or Russia's intel was off.

 

[Scott]

She is a crazy Californicator, pay her no mind.

evince is a she then? In any way, she/he has said enough that they've become the first person that I've put on my thread ban list, there's a limit to how many insults I want to hear from a person.

 

[Scott]

Common Sense: if everyone was wringing their hands about the possibility of an errant shell cracking open one of the 15 nuke plants, then the use of any types of nuclear weapons would be just plain stupid. Bottom line: a lot of hype, bluff and bluster with a heavy dose of speculation by everyone to obfuscate the true military situation there (IMHO, of course).

All I know is that to date, I haven't heard of a dirty bomb going off in Ukraine. Quite happy about that

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Until Moon responded to one of my posts in one of these threads, I'd never conversed with her before.

Okay. Still, you two have a very similar mindset. Welcome to JPP!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

All I know is that to date, I haven't heard of a dirty bomb going off in Ukraine. Quite happy about that

The most likely scenario is Russia would use tactical nukes in Ukraine followed by a dirty bomb going off in Mother Russia.

There'd be no clear winners.