Rough Libertarian Critique of Conservatives

Mott the Hoople said:
well yea, yea it is, cause that's the only way you get things done in politics and governance. That's just democracy in the US my friend. It's ugly and it's inneficient and often unfair but that's how it works. You have to be able to reach out to others with differences and exentuate those things which you share in common and that is what political leadership is all about. Defining what that common ground is. In that regard, ideological litmus test are an impediment.
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something we've seen over the last 25 years. reaching out, compromising, finding common ground, and then passing a shit bill that doesn't do anything but allow the downward spiral to continue, but at least they get to step up to the podium and tell the american people that they got something done.
 
cawacko said:
You are correct Independent voters are all over the map which is why the author was pointing out that insisting one must be socially and fiscally conservative is the wrong tack to take for the Republican Party to try and gain (or retain) voters.
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No one I know of insists any such thing though. The fact that a candidate like Romney will pander to social conservatives is just politics. Same reason Obama panders to the anti abortion blacks of his party and the pro gun folks in battle ground states. This election is going to be about the "economy stupid". GOP candidates that are not earnestly a social conservative, do themselves a bigger disservice by politically pandering, IMO, then if they just provided a clear economic road map to get us out of the Obama shit hole.
 
Ice Dancer said:
No one I know of insists any such thing though. The fact that a candidate like Romney will pander to social conservatives is just politics. Same reason Obama panders to the anti abortion blacks of his party and the pro gun folks in battle ground states. This election is going to be about the "economy stupid". GOP candidates that are not earnestly a social conservative, do themselves a bigger disservice by politically pandering, IMO, then if they just provided a clear economic road map to get us out of the Obama shit hole.
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There have been a few people here who insist that fiscal conservatives are not conservative unless they aree also social conservatives. In otherwords, the two go hand in hand.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
something we've seen over the last 25 years. reaching out, compromising, finding common ground, and then passing a shit bill that doesn't do anything but allow the downward spiral to continue, but at least they get to step up to the podium and tell the american people that they got something done.
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Yes, they will get something done, now get ready for the consequences! Politicians rarely think of the consequences, and that is why we are where we are today!
 
WinterBorn said:
There have been a few people here who insist that fiscal conservatives are not conservative unless they aree also social conservatives. In otherwords, the two go hand in hand.
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Thinking it is illogical and insisting it must be so are two very different positions.
 
Superfreak said:
When you say 'reaching out' you of course mean 'call your opponents terrorists' right? Isn't that the new Dem talking point?

Or is reaching out when you say 'I will not sign any short term deal'

Or is reaching out when you say 'The two parties have agreed to a plan... but I want to add $400b in tax increases'

Or is reaching out to constantly say 'dey uh drove da car in da ditch (we shall obviously ignore our own role in getting into the ditch)'
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Uhhhhmmm let me put it to you like this.....bite me!

BTW, you plan on attending any of the US Pro Cycling Challenge events? I'd love to see the prolouge....That would be sweet.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
despite your progressive rhetoric, you're a Libertarian deep down inside. So is Mott, though he refuses to quite come out of the closet yet. I think Mr. Gillespie just gave him a little shove though.
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I can not abide by some of the Libertarian platform, but I lean that way lately, but there is not one political platform that I agree with in totality.
 
Rana said:
I think we should go back to champions and jousting. So much more honest and dignified than what takes place these days.

Democrats only wish they could be as "perfect" as their Republican counterparts, if you think either is righteous, I have beach front property for you in Girdwood!
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What's the old Mort Sal joke? Democrats are people who are ashamed about what they've earned while Republicans are very proud about everything they've stolen. ;)
 
SmarterThanYou said:
something we've seen over the last 25 years. reaching out, compromising, finding common ground, and then passing a shit bill that doesn't do anything but allow the downward spiral to continue, but at least they get to step up to the podium and tell the american people that they got something done.
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Ehhh you know the old saying...two things you never want to see made are sausages and laws.
 
Rana said:
Yes, they will get something done, now get ready for the consequences! Politicians rarely think of the consequences, and that is why we are where we are today!
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I've heard that Democracy is the notion that the common people can get what they want....and do....good and hard!
 
I'm not a huge fan of parts of the LP platform, but I would welcome a libertarian administration as a sort of wrecking ball to much of the bad policy and leadership we are constantly saddled with on a regular basis. Then, I would quietly work to vote them out of office... :cof1:
 
Hope Solo said:
I'm not a huge fan of parts of the LP platform, but I would welcome a libertarian administration as a sort of wrecking ball to much of the bad policy and leadership we are constantly saddled with on a regular basis. Then, I would quietly work to vote them out of office... :cof1:
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Until they usher in untold prosperity for man kind. You'll sing a different tune in a few years.
 
Rana said:
I know, I have joined that party of thought myself over the last couple of months. There is no light at the end of the tunnel and that scares me. We are still on opposite sides of the track, I still lean towards the left and you to the right, but at least on this we agree, it is a good day.
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The problem is politics is less concerned with fixing what is wrong than it is with being completely sure we know who's fault it is that we ended up here in the first place. We'd rather throw stones at eachother than use them to build
 
Damn Yankee said:
There's his lie right there. There hasn't been a conservative majority in Congress for over 100 years.
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But his main point, that social conservatism will sink a conservative ticket, holds true. A fiscal conservative that ignores (or at least doesn't press) social conservative issues could win in a landslide.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Like Ron Paul? :)
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Like someone who doesn't use the force of the gov't to press their social agenda, be it liberal or conservative. Someone who gets the gov't out of the places in our lives they don't belong.
 
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