Rough Libertarian Critique of Conservatives

Judges in Massachusetts who imposed homosexual marriage on the Commonwealth put their noses where they don't belong. Gay enablers don't seem to have a problem with that one.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Judges in Massachusetts who imposed homosexual marriage on the Commonwealth put their noses where they don't belong. Gay enablers don't seem to have a problem with that one.
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How about the gov't gets out of the marriage business completely? That would be the best answer.
 
Gay enablers, oh, my, that has to be one of the dumbest things the South Freak has ever written! I shall laugh about this for a long time...
 
Damn Yankee said:
Ron Paul got what, 1%?
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Obama was elected mainly because of George W. Bush's 8 years in office. If Obama doesn't turn things around, he will be a one term president. But the people will not have forgotten George W.

What votes a candidate got in the past is irrelevant.
 
I'm on record here that the issue belongs to the states if they so choose. California and Mass can have gays but no guns, NC and Texas the opposite.
 
Rana said:
Gay enablers, oh, my, that has to be one of the dumbest things the South Freak has ever written! I shall laugh about this for a long time...
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Rana, haven't you heard? If we legalize gay marriage more people will be turning gay. So those of us who campaign for gay marriage are gay enablers and are encouraging more people to be gay.
 
Damn Yankee said:
I'm on record here that the issue belongs to the states if they so choose. California and Mass can have gays but no guns, NC and Texas the opposite.
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I'm on record here that the states have no more business licencing marriages than does the federal gov't.

I'm on record here that losing freedoms is something to be fought against, whether it is your freedom or not.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Paul's running this time too. How's he doing in the polls compared to Bachmann?
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In 2007 the presidential polls had Giuliani winning.

"Giuliani tops Clinton 55 - 38 percent in Red states, which voted Republican in the 2004 presidential election, and ties her 46 - 46 percent in Blue states, which went Democratic in 2004. He gets 44 percent to Clinton's 45 percent in Purple states, where the margin in 2004 was less than 7 percent, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds"

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1019
 
WinterBorn said:
Rana, haven't you heard? If we legalize gay marriage more people will be turning gay. So those of us who campaign for gay marriage are gay enablers and are encouraging more people to be gay.
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I haven't been watching TV much lately with a few HBO series exceptions, I have been reading, The Game of Thorns, series and taking care of the young and old, so it is no wonder that I haven't heard the latest. I better tune in, I am missing quite a lot.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
despite your progressive rhetoric, you're a Libertarian deep down inside. So is Mott, though he refuses to quite come out of the closet yet. I think Mr. Gillespie just gave him a little shove though.
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I suppose I am, however, I believe people should help financially through taxes. Other than that let people do pretty much what they want. The problem is some folks won't help unless there's something in it for them and that is what leads to all the rules and regulations everyone argues against.

Take ObamaCare, for example. The ultimate goal is to prevent people from going bankrupt due to illness. Instead of a fund/plan that would kick in to cover people to prevent financial disaster some folks want the same financial benefit even if they don't need it so they end up with everyone having to buy insurance. 2000 pages when a few paragraphs would suffice.

Just like when applying for a loan/mortgage a person can borrow, go into debt, up to a certain percentage of their income. Use something similar when it comes to medical care. After a certain debt limit is reached the government kicks in. Nobody gets "free" health care and everyone can afford health care.
 
Rana said:
I haven't been watching TV much lately with a few HBO series exceptions, I have been reading, The Game of Thorns, series and taking care of the young and old, so it is no wonder that I haven't heard the latest. I better tune in, I am missing quite a lot.
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Actually, this latest is from this board. I was picking on someone for posting insanity.
 
bravo said:
Gillespie has nailed nothing....In his second sentence, he mis-states the most important elementary fact.......that no one is trying to create a new world, other than the liberal socialist. Conservatives would rather preserve only the country we have the good fortune to be citizens of.........there are folks with conservative values that recognize that this country was created on a foundation of freedom, personal responsibility and conservative moral values.
Those "conservatives" wish to retain those fundamental values and are fighting against those that wish to change those values....

Listening to the pinheads would have us believe that the Pilgrims came to these shores so they could butt fuck goats and sheep, fornicate with the Indians and have men marry each other....that just ain't the case....

If those conservatives alienate the pinheads that wish to change this country into something other than what it was created as, so be it.....the clows that invent labels like alternative lifestyle is fooling about as many people that fell for labels like Sanitation Engineer and Waste Management Professional......
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The world has changed. Taking "personal responsibility" was fine 200 years ago as everyone could do what was necessary to live. There was land and people could build houses. They didn't need a lot of cash. They could hunt and fish. Where and how does a person get food and a place to sleep without money? Where are the buffalo skins for winter coats? Raccoon pelts for hats?

Taking "personal responsibility" involved everything from killing natives and taking their land to raising chickens next door to barber shops and bars and talking about goats and sheep lets get a few goat farms in NY City and Miami. Maybe a pig farm in Detroit. Let the poor take "personal responsibility" for feeding themselves.

It's the "Haves" who are stopping the "Have-nots" from taking "personal responsibility". Those damn condo owners who don't want to smell cow shit next door.

Let's put the blame where it rightly belongs if we're going to talk about personal responsibility. If someone wants to build an abattoir in Manhattan why stop someone from taking personal responsibility when it comes to making an honest living?

They Conservative talks about personal financial responsibility but they'll tell you where you can open a bar and when it has to close. They Conservative talks about personal medical responsibility but will jail a cancer patient suffering from nausea and dangerous weight loss when they use marijuana which is a proven drug to combat nausea.

No, the Conservative idea of taking personal responsibility is nothing more than demanding people live by their rules. Rules, that until quite recently, bordered on being in your bedroom reciting instructing on the finer points of procreation.

I'll be the first to admit I'm not an expert on the Founding Fathers but I sincerely doubt they were anything like the Conservatives who decided the legality of where a man's lips may or may not came into contact with his wife's body.
 
apple0154 said:
The world has changed. Taking "personal responsibility" was fine 200 years ago as everyone could do what was necessary to live. There was land and people could build houses. They didn't need a lot of cash. They could hunt and fish. Where and how does a person get food and a place to sleep without money? Where are the buffalo skins for winter coats? Raccoon pelts for hats?

Taking "personal responsibility" involved everything from killing natives and taking their land to raising chickens next door to barber shops and bars and talking about goats and sheep lets get a few goat farms in NY City and Miami. Maybe a pig farm in Detroit. Let the poor take "personal responsibility" for feeding themselves.

It's the "Haves" who are stopping the "Have-nots" from taking "personal responsibility". Those damn condo owners who don't want to smell cow shit next door.

Let's put the blame where it rightly belongs if we're going to talk about personal responsibility. If someone wants to build an abattoir in Manhattan why stop someone from taking personal responsibility when it comes to making an honest living?

They Conservative talks about personal financial responsibility but they'll tell you where you can open a bar and when it has to close. They Conservative talks about personal medical responsibility but will jail a cancer patient suffering from nausea and dangerous weight loss when they use marijuana which is a proven drug to combat nausea.

No, the Conservative idea of taking personal responsibility is nothing more than demanding people live by their rules. Rules, that until quite recently, bordered on being in your bedroom reciting instructing on the finer points of procreation.

I'll be the first to admit I'm not an expert on the Founding Fathers but I sincerely doubt they were anything like the Conservatives who decided the legality of where a man's lips may or may not came into contact with his wife's body.
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Personal responsibility has become another term, like patriotism, or personal values that have become distorted and twisted into half a dozen different meanings to the point where four people can sit down and talk and none of them understand what the others are saying

Oh and on the matter of the founding fathers, they're dead, why do they get a vote on the matter of gay marriage?
 
WinterBorn said:
I'm on record here that the states have no more business licencing marriages than does the federal gov't.

I'm on record here that losing freedoms is something to be fought against, whether it is your freedom or not.
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It doesn't matter. Let SM/DY bitch and moan all he wants to. Freedom and liberty will win out every time and gays aren't going back in the closet. If he don't like it, that's his problem, I could give a rats ass less. I have more important things to worry about then sticking my nose in other peoples love life.
 
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