Roe V Wade has been overturned.

BartenderElite said:
I'm an equal rights for all guy. I don't like patriarchal systems.
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christiefan915 said:
Do you feel better now that you launched an insult? This decision was inconsistent. The justices were against states' rights about guns and for states' rights on abortion, and I bet you're just as inconsistent. This was a politically-motivated decision, pure and simple.
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no the 2nd is an individual right to carry. NY law was too restrictive in imposing "special needs"
But that's all that was decided.

Abortion on demand is not in the Bill of rights, nor is a right to privacy except teh 4th as I mentioned.

and there is no such thing as "states rights" -states have powers, individuals have rights
 
dukkha said:
stare decisis is settled law, but that doesn't mean it's an enumerated right. I recall Roe decision.
they sort of came up with an implied right to privacy as the reasoning for declaring it a right..
they had to hang their hat on something

I dont think it makes any sense to unwind Roe, but stare decisis is not bound over by future courts
like enumerated rights. There is really nothing in the Constitution except perhaps the 4th on privacy rights
but that's more about unreasonable intrusions by the government on your papers and effects.
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One of the rights to privacy means no government interference in your personal decisions regarding reproduction. AFAIK there's nothing in the Constitution or the federalist papers specifically naming abortion as something over which the government can exert control.
 
christiefan915 said:
One of the rights to privacy means no government interference in your personal decisions regarding reproduction. AFAIK there's nothing in the Constitution or the federalist papers specifically naming abortion as something over which the government can exert control.
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the constitution and federalist papers all understood this was a limit on federal powers, not state ones.
 
christiefan915 said:
"Abortion on demand" is hyperbole. Women have rights over their bodies and it's not up to anyone else to mischaracterize their decisions as demands.
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But that is the essence of Roe. women have an unfettered right to abortion = abortion on demand. State restrictions were secondary to the individual right to abortion on demand, and were arbitrarily overturned by lower courts

Now the unfettered right goes away because THERE IS NO SUCH THING (except precedence)
and precedence isn't binding.. I personally see no need to overturn,but I cant argue it isn't Constittuional

Get Congress to pass a law,and the you have a bedrock underpinning
 
Earl said:
Consider, if you will, two Catholics in Congress, in opposition to the S.C. decision.

The opposition to abortion, the murder of unborn infants, according to Catholicism, has always been an eternal truth supported by Catholics for decades.

It is no wonder that Pelosi and Biden can no longer take part in communion, a sacred sacrament of Catholicism.
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What you don't understand is the Catholic teaching on conscience. An individual bishop may decide to deny the sacrament to Pelosi and Biden but that is not the official teaching coming from the Pope.
 
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christiefan915 said:
Do you feel better now that you launched an insult? This decision was inconsistent. The justices were against states' rights about guns and for states' rights on abortion, and I bet you're just as inconsistent. This was a politically-motivated decision, pure and simple.
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No, Miss Marple, The recent NY decision affirmed that the Second Amendment right to bear arms does not involve a “ right.”

The right of self defense predates the Bill of Rights.

The decision said the the state can not take away rights that predate the Constitution.
 
Damocles said:
I don't think so... If the past few months where it would have made some difference before the decision came down there just wasn't evidence of what you predict here. I honestly don't know what it will look like, but I don't believe that it isn't going to be what you say here.
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It's not just one thing. It's a culmination of things. Society moves like a herd of cattle; mostly by those in front (e.g. the loudest, those in power, etc) will lead the herd. Sometimes even into a stampede as 1/6 proved to everyone.

One quote about those involved in attacking the Capitol that I found particularly interesting was the comment how, by their all coming together, they felt the majority of America was with them. They leaped from seeing a few thousand people out of 330 million people into the fanatical belief that assaulting the Capitol would overthrow the nation and restore Trump as President.

Not all people are crazy. You've noticed that I've labeled certain people as having certain problems and never to others regardless of how much we may disagree. Is there doubt that those following the Q anon conspiracy theories are nutjobs seeking to assert their entitlement to rule the nation?
 
christiefan915 said:
What you don't understand is the Catholic teaching on conscience. An individual bishop may decide to deny the sacrament to Pelosi and Biden but that is not the teaching coming from the Pope.
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Does it matter? The results are the same.

Have up you heard, the Pope is considering resigning?

He can officially join the Socialist Party then, Miss Marple.
 
christiefan915 said:
One of the rights to privacy means no government interference in your personal decisions regarding reproduction. AFAIK there's nothing in the Constitution or the federalist papers specifically naming abortion as something over which the government can exert control.
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If it's not found in the Constitution
then the 10th says powers go to the states or people respectively.

Even enumerated rights can be regulated, they just cant be put aside.
Implied rights are basically a creation of the courts. what the courts give, the courts can take away.

The answer is to lobby Congress - it would be good for LW politics as well
Step up your game ( not you personally) and get by law what is not there by Constutional authority
 
christiefan915 said:
And don't tell me you didn't love it that trump got three conservatives on SCOTUS. Posters on JPP supported McConnell holding up Garland's confirmation for 8 months, until the 2016 election so repugs could get their own candidates in. I call that a travesty.
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It actually saved millions of unborn babies.

Of course there will still be women who want to murder their own children.

Same sex marriage is not an enumerated power either, Miss Marple...next.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It's not just one thing. It's a culmination of things. Society moves like a herd of cattle; mostly by those in front (e.g. the loudest, those in power, etc) will lead the herd. Sometimes even into a stampede as 1/6 proved to everyone.

One quote about those involved in attacking the Capitol that I found particularly interesting was the comment how, by their all coming together, they felt the majority of America was with them. They leaped from seeing a few thousand people out of 330 million people into the fanatical belief that assaulting the Capitol would overthrow the nation and restore Trump as President.

Not all people are crazy. You've noticed that I've labeled certain people as having certain problems and never to others regardless of how much we may disagree. Is there doubt that those following the Q anon conspiracy theories are nutjobs seeking to assert their entitlement to rule the nation?
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REEEEEE! You leftist goober.
 
dukkha said:
But that is the essence of Roe. women have an unfettered right to abortion = abortion on demand. State restrictions were secondary to the individual right to abortion on demand, and were arbitrarily overturned by lower courts

Now the unfettered right goes away because THERE IS NO SUCH THING (except precedence)
and precedence isn't binding.. I personally see no need to overturn,but I cant argue it isn't Constittuional

Get Congress to pass a law,and the you have a bedrock underpinning
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"Women want the right to abortion" is the correct way of putting it. "Women want abortion on demand" is anti-choice language used to paint women seeking abortions as commanding something they don't have a personal right to in the first place. IMO it's not constitutional to claim that people have equal rights but to put a gender-based prohibition on reproductive choice.
 
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