Rick Perry's View on Marriage

Dumb Yankee's dream:

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poet said:
And why do we need "you', of all people to state "anything" to or for us? You're not very intelligent, savvy or sophisticated. What enlightenment could you possibly impart? I say "none". I sang mass with liturgical music , every day for 3 years , 6 days out of 7, attending a parochial Episcopal boys choir school. In that 3 years, Religion was a required course. Are you suggesting that you know something that I don't?
Because of the traditional animus of the church against gays and lesbians, it took me some time to reconcile who I was with what I believed. After much research and introspection, I came to the conclusion and revelation that God made me as I am. And since he doesn't make mistakes, it was up to me to find the balance, despite what others thought or believe.
My research led me to materials which revealed that Christ, himself, didn't speak to the matter....so how grave a sin could it be?
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=122

What does Scripture have to say about homosexuality? The Christian community now possesses for the first time some excellent scholarly works on the treatment of homosexuality in Scripture, such as Robin Scroggs's The New Testament and Homosexuality (Fortress, 1984) and George Edwards's Gay/Lesbian Liberation: A Biblical Perspective (Pilgrim, 1984). We also have an excellent study of the development of Christian tradition regarding homosexuality: John Boswell's Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality: Gay People in Western Europe from the Beginning of the Christian Era to the Fourteenth Century (University of Chicago Press, 1980). And there are some very good theological reflections on human sexuality in the light of Christian revelation; see James Nelson's, Embodiment: An Approach to Sexuality, and Christian Theology (Pilgrim, 1978) and Between Two Gardens: Reflections on Sexuality and Religious Experience. (Pilgrim, 1983).

These scholars conclude that nowhere in Scripture is there a clear condemnation of a loving sexual relationship between two gay persons. Homosexuality is never mentioned in the Four Gospels' accounts of the ministry of Jesus -- a silence that would be inexplicable if this were the "most heinous crime," as tradition claims. Scriptural authors never deal with homosexual orientation, and when they do treat homosexual activity, they never do so in the context of a loving relationship. They presuppose that they are dealing with lustful activity freely chosen by heterosexuals (as in Romans 1), or they deal with a humanly destructive activity in the context of idolatry, prostitution, promiscuity, violent rape, seduction of children or violation of guests' rights.

There can be no valid moral debate on these issues that does not include lesbian and gay people as full participants. The Holy Spirit has something to say to the churches in and through the experience of lesbian and homosexual Christians. A truly extraordinary witness to the kind of full human love that can exist between two gay persons is being manifested daily by AIDS victims and their lovers and friends. The exceptional fidelity, self-sacrifice and affection, as well as the pain, grief and sorrow and the deep spiritual response to the suffering and bereavement that is being expressed, is a sign to the churches of the presence of the Spirit of love in these relationships. "See how they love one another!"

Instead of you allowing others to live their lives, and to believe what they choose to believe, you want to assert your self-righteousness, for selfish reasons...none of which have any bearing on any Christian brotherly love.
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You and your scholars are wrong. Answer this question:

Damn Yankee said:
[Jesus] didn't mention child molestation either. Do you suppose child molesters will go to heaven?
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Perry is funny sure, but he won't run because he's a fucking clown to anyone not hard core righty. Bach to mom will exit when she's finished fleecing some near poor tea baggers or when she is damn ready (which will be the exact same time).
 
Damn Yankee said:
You and your scholars are wrong. Answer this question:
[Jesus] didn't mention child molestation either. Do you suppose child molesters will go to heaven?
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And giving you the benefit of the doubt, you just may be right...but prove it. Prove that my reference is wrong. You have the floor.

And in answer to your question, as pedestrian as it is, Jesus spoke often of and to children...so it stands to reason, they had a special place in his heart. One can assume that anyone harming a child would be rejected and condemned by Jesus. In our justice system, a child under 18 cannot give consent...hence we have statutory rape laws on the books.
Answer this question: In the relationship of two consenting adults, who would be harmed? Do you now understand how your argument is a non sequitur? Don't play with me.
 
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And giving you the benefit of the doubt, you just may be right...but prove it. Prove that my reference is wrong. You have the floor.

And in answer to your question, as pedestrian as it is, Jesus spoke often of and to children...so it stands to reason, they had a special place in his heart. One can assume that anyone harming a child would be rejected and condemned by Jesus. In our justice system, a child under 18 cannot give consent...hence we have statutory rape laws on the books.
Answer this question: In the relationship of two consenting adults, who would be harmed? Do you now understand how your argument is a non sequitur? Don't play with me.
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Your reference is wrong because the bible states that homosexuality is an abomination- it doesn't parse words like your "scholars" have. God doesn't require that someone be harmed for a sin to have occurred. :)
 
Damn Yankee said:
Your reference is wrong because the bible states that homosexuality is an abomination- it doesn't parse words like your "scholars" have. God doesn't require that someone be harmed for a sin to have occurred. :)
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Where, besides Leviticus, does the bible state that homosexuality is an abomination?
 
Damn Yankee said:
Isn't Leviticus enough?
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That depends, are you following the rest of the commands in Leviticus?

And when someone paints christianity in a negative light, because of some things written in the Old Testament, don't you explain that the Old Testament was under an old covenant, but the New Testament is under the new covenant thru Jesus Christ?
 
SM, do you allow your wife to go to church when she is on her period?

Do you ever wear clothing made from more than one kind of fabric?

Do you shave or cut your hair? That is forbidden in Leviticus.

Have you ever cursed your mother or father? If so you must be stoned to death.

Have you ever had sex with your wife when she was on her period? If so you must be cut off from your people.
 
Oh this old argument again. Aren't you aware that you're referring to Mosaic laws? Those have little to do with Christianity.

The first mention of homosexuality occurs in Genesis, resulting in Noah cursing Canaan. That curse is repeated by God in Deuteronomy 7:1, 2.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Oh this old argument again. Aren't you aware that you're referring to Mosaic laws? Those have little to do with Christianity.

The first mention of homosexuality occurs in Genesis, resulting in Noah cursing Canaan. That curse is repeated by God in Deuteronomy 7:1, 2.
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So you toss out the laws because they have little to do with christianity, but if those same people call homosexuality an abomination, that hasn't change?

Nice cherry picking, SM.
 
BTW, are you going to answer the question about who is enabling or encouraging homosexuality?
 
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