Rick Perry's View on Marriage

Damn Yankee said:
Fat lazy assholes will go to hell along with the gays.
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Ok, so those guilty of sloth and gluttony have sinned. (whether they go to hell is not up to you, but up to them and their own choices)

What does this have to do with the topic at hand?
 
Damn Yankee said:
Its evolving with the conversation. Do you suppose that those who encourage or enable homosexuality, sloth and gluttony go to hell as well? :)
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It would depend on what you mean by encouraging or enabling. I have not seen anyone encourage or enable homosexuality here. I don't recall sloth or gluttony as thread topics, but each adult is responsible for their own life and soul.

Do you suppose someone who bragged about their wealth, while others suffered due to poverty, will go to hell as well?
 
cawacko said:
What about my question though. If there is a constitutional limit on marriage to being a man and a woman would states have the right to then allow gays to marry or would the constitutional law prevent that?
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Google "full faith and credit".
 
WinterBorn said:
I wonder if SM remembers the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" story in the bible. Or the meaning of that story.
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Why is he even speculating on who is or who isn't going to Heaven or Hell? How does anyone know? Seems to me to be nothing more than self-righteousness , on his part, completely excusing his own shortcomings or disregarding them altogether. Bible abuse is a pervasive problem for many.
 
poet said:
Why is he even speculating on who is or who isn't going to Heaven or Hell? How does anyone know? Seems to me to be nothing more than self-righteousness , on his part, completely excusing his own shortcomings or disregarding them altogether. Bible abuse is a pervasive problem for many.
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I'm simply stating facts on what is sin and what is not. It is you who is 'abusing the bible' by asserting that homosexuality isn't a grave sin. :)
 
Damn Yankee said:
I'm simply stating facts on what is sin and what is not. It is you who is 'abusing the bible' by asserting that homosexuality isn't a grave sin. :)
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And it is you who gladly points out the sins of others and ignores your own.

And it is you who would prefer that we discuss the sin of homosexuality, rather than the constitutionality or legality of banning gay marriages. At least in a discussion of sin you have a leg to stand on.
 
rick perry is funny with Texas as a country and all, but do we have time.
I guess so, it got damn yankey his daily man ass talking in.
 
Damn Yankee said:
I'm simply stating facts on what is sin and what is not. It is you who is 'abusing the bible' by asserting that homosexuality isn't a grave sin. :)
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And why do we need "you', of all people to state "anything" to or for us? You're not very intelligent, savvy or sophisticated. What enlightenment could you possibly impart? I say "none". I sang mass with liturgical music , every day for 3 years , 6 days out of 7, attending a parochial Episcopal boys choir school. In that 3 years, Religion was a required course. Are you suggesting that you know something that I don't?
Because of the traditional animus of the church against gays and lesbians, it took me some time to reconcile who I was with what I believed. After much research and introspection, I came to the conclusion and revelation that God made me as I am. And since he doesn't make mistakes, it was up to me to find the balance, despite what others thought or believe.
My research led me to materials which revealed that Christ, himself, didn't speak to the matter....so how grave a sin could it be?
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=122

What does Scripture have to say about homosexuality? The Christian community now possesses for the first time some excellent scholarly works on the treatment of homosexuality in Scripture, such as Robin Scroggs's The New Testament and Homosexuality (Fortress, 1984) and George Edwards's Gay/Lesbian Liberation: A Biblical Perspective (Pilgrim, 1984). We also have an excellent study of the development of Christian tradition regarding homosexuality: John Boswell's Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality: Gay People in Western Europe from the Beginning of the Christian Era to the Fourteenth Century (University of Chicago Press, 1980). And there are some very good theological reflections on human sexuality in the light of Christian revelation; see James Nelson's, Embodiment: An Approach to Sexuality, and Christian Theology (Pilgrim, 1978) and Between Two Gardens: Reflections on Sexuality and Religious Experience. (Pilgrim, 1983).

These scholars conclude that nowhere in Scripture is there a clear condemnation of a loving sexual relationship between two gay persons. Homosexuality is never mentioned in the Four Gospels' accounts of the ministry of Jesus -- a silence that would be inexplicable if this were the "most heinous crime," as tradition claims. Scriptural authors never deal with homosexual orientation, and when they do treat homosexual activity, they never do so in the context of a loving relationship. They presuppose that they are dealing with lustful activity freely chosen by heterosexuals (as in Romans 1), or they deal with a humanly destructive activity in the context of idolatry, prostitution, promiscuity, violent rape, seduction of children or violation of guests' rights.

There can be no valid moral debate on these issues that does not include lesbian and gay people as full participants. The Holy Spirit has something to say to the churches in and through the experience of lesbian and homosexual Christians. A truly extraordinary witness to the kind of full human love that can exist between two gay persons is being manifested daily by AIDS victims and their lovers and friends. The exceptional fidelity, self-sacrifice and affection, as well as the pain, grief and sorrow and the deep spiritual response to the suffering and bereavement that is being expressed, is a sign to the churches of the presence of the Spirit of love in these relationships. "See how they love one another!"

Instead of you allowing others to live their lives, and to believe what they choose to believe, you want to assert your self-righteousness, for selfish reasons...none of which have any bearing on any Christian brotherly love.
 
The Dude said:
rick perry is funny with Texas as a country and all, but do we have time.
I guess so, it got damn yankey his daily man ass talking in.
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That stuff would play well in the south but would hurt him like hell in the north and west in a general election. Can you imagine the political hay his opponent would have with those comments he made about Texas succeeding? Still and all....he's a far better competitor for Romney then all the other circus clowns currently in the race.
 
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