Rep. Abigail Spanberger (VA-D) - Never use the words 'socialist' or 'socialism'

[Althea]

Disagreed, comrade dukkha/anatta. Do you have a third sock too?

Yes. Noise

 

[Althea]

Son, I have not claimed to be non-violent. This is the mistake that most of you militia idiots make. You wrongfully assume that because we prefer a peaceful and civil environment, that we are pushover pacifists.

News for you: Peaceful Earth-centric women like me give birth to true warriors. I come from a family of warriors. You want to fight for make-believe bullshit. We will fight for what is real. For all of human history, we have done so... and this is why you have the ability to wave your pretend dick around on the Internet.

So go back and play in your sandbox, #RamboFail.

^^^^^This.


He who knows, does not speak.

He who speaks, does not know.

Lao Tsu.

Translation...don't fuck with quiet people.

 

[Althea]

Althea: "You should know this. 40% of the electorate will vote Republican. This includes every registered Republican."
Jack: I agree with that when a John McCain or Mitt Romney are running. I DON'T believe that when it comes to Trump.

Althea: "Many who are billionaires who don't want to pay taxes. Many who don't believe in abortion. Many who think Obama took their guns."
Jack: Agree. Billionaires, Evangelicals, Gun Owners, and White Supremacists would cast their vote for Trump. (I don't think that is 70 million people though)

Althea: "The rest are those who never voted before, and were inspired to crawl out from under their rocks to vote for a fellow racist."
Jack: So you are saying, besides the above groups, the rest of the 70 million people were Racists? That's interesting.

Althea: "Not many of them were worker drones this time."
Jack: I can see the 'Investing Class' (those voting their pocket books) voting for Trump.

Thanks for your assessment of the 70 million that voted for Trump. I'm still scratching my head on this. Trump acts like a Fascist/Mafia Crime Boss and lies constantly. I'm still in shock over how many people voted for this guy.

It's shocking that 70% of the eligible voters came out to vote at all. That's almost unprecedented. That shows how important people felt this election was.

It might be time for another tutorial. Instead of the multi quote button, the 'wrap quote tags' button at the top right of your reply box.

 

[Althea]

Here's a good article that is worth taking the time to read...



Nevertheless, IMO...we have lots of dumbed-down and gullible people in the USA...obviously.

Good read. The only thing we have going for us, which was left out at the end, is that trump has been pushing a vaccine. If what the author claims is true, then millions of quacks will run out and get vaccinated, which is a good thing.

 

[Althea]

A 'Charismatic Leader'. Obama was a charismatic person. I remember one black guy being interviewed and he said 'I voted for Obama because he was Black' and didn't know what his Policies were. So the "I just like the guy" attraction has to be part of the equation. I can see Trump being a 'Charismatic Leader' to some. Biden ... I can't see anyone calling Biden 'charismatic'.

We're never going to understand the minds of fools. Obama was different. Many apolitical black people voted for him for obvious reasons. White people voted for him because he could form full sentences. Not a high bar after Bush.

Many assumed that women would blindly vote for Hillary, but they didn't. Go figure?


This election wasn't about charisma. It was about sanity, and calm. That was Biden.

 

[Althea]

The evidence is clear that what should have been a blue wave was undermined by the progressive liberal wing of the party. Most Americans find the European style Social Democrat policies unpalatable. Notions such as defunding the police, which was interpreted as eliminating polic, or universal guaranteed income which violates traditional Protestant work ethic are not ideas that the majority of Americans accept.

Agree about the cause, but nobody is really crafting policy that clearly illustrates how we would be implementing Euro style SD policies. The passing mention of these by Sanders/AOC, without credible plans to bring them to fruition only serves to hand talking points to the Right. There is no desire to actually shift in this direction, because it simply isn't feasible.

So co-opting the middle, as the GOP, continues on its path further to the right is a great opportunity but make no mistake about it. If there’s no center and Americans have to choose between the far left and the far right the majority will choose the far right. This Presidential election may have been a rejection by the majority of Trumps boorish behavior, inconsistent policies and gross incompetence in his management of the COVID pandemic but the vast support he did receive was solid evidence of Americans rejection of progressive left policies.

More accurately, the Right's false classification of progressive left policies. We have an octogenarian, and a child who is barely 30 chirping about handouts. They would be better served to call for a slow blend of their ideas into a workable program. But they don't.

But here’s the real question, even if Democrats are able to co-opt the political center what will they do to address the complete failure of supply side economic policies with something other than socialism and what will they do to reverse the impact our past trade policies which have done so much damage to rural and small town communities by dissolving their economic base in manufacturing?

Ahhhh...the holy grail.

It's simple at its core, but impossible in its implementation. People WANT to work. The destruction was slow, but as Perot promised, we're now here. So the answer is obviously to bring manufacturing back, so that men/women can exit high schools and earn a good living without college.

Here's the problem. If you bring back manufacturing, $19.99 pairs of jeans at Walmart will be $60. Of course, they SHOULD be $60. People just don't know that. So on the 'supply siders' you mentioned position, 'everyone can afford to buy goods' when we use Chinese manufacturing. Not really true because so many are living in poverty.

There is no way to achieve this without govt. investment. And with govt. force. It has to be done via taxation. Tax holiday for businesses that bring manufacturing home, and high taxes for those who don't. If Biden keeps trump's tariffs in place, that money should go toward funding the same program. Low interest loans to start up manufacturing facilities.

The problem? This will be fought tooth and nail by those who also fight 'far Left progressive ideas'. It would push the nation as far to the Right not because it wouldn't work, but because the talking points would be deadly.


Unless you have another answer to your complex question? I'm not sure how you manufacture here with good paying jobs, without massive inflation? And then we can discuss the enviro issues. Maybe Mexican made parts with manufacturing here?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

^^^^^This.


He who knows, does not speak.

He who speaks, does not know.

Lao Tsu.

Translation...don't fuck with quiet people.

Truth. I would add only "Do not fuck with mothers, no matter what age we are. You will reap what you sow if you try it."

 

[Althea]

Good post. In response to the bolded:

Supply-side economics, like demand-side, is a model. The Laffer Curve works. Where the Republicans have failed is in failing to recognize the Laffer Curve has two sides; there's tax too much and tax too little. Right now our nation is taxing too little which is why the national debt keeps climbing under Republican President: they spend more money than the nation has revenue.

Democrats don't give a shit about Red States or rural areas. They commonly refer to them as "Flyover States" and seek to disenfranchise them by eliminating the Electoral College.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp

Only because they vote against their own best interests. Farm subsidies are typically Conservative, but not by much. Food Stamps are a big reason for Mid West farmers being able to sell their crops too, though.

Ironically, subsidies are Socialistic, but you don't hear that from anyone who benefits from them. Nor from those who buy votes with them.

 

[dukkha]

Here's the problem. If you bring back manufacturing, $19.99 pairs of jeans at Walmart will be $60. Of course, they SHOULD be $60. People just don't know that. So on the 'supply siders' you mentioned position, 'everyone can afford to buy goods' when we use Chinese manufacturing. Not really true because so many are living in poverty.

no you idiot. manufacturing is much more then just assembly line drone labor

It's fabrication, design and function, material and marketing

Labor costs doesn't define wheremanufacturing takes place. It's only 1 factor.
there are regulations and taxation issues big time
look at the manufacturing jobs Trump bought back, including weapons and vehicles, and local fabricators

....Kindly get a fucking clue about trade before you talk about making jeans.....

 

[Althea]

They lost because they should have lost. They ran as republican lite.

Biden won because he acknowledged the power of the progressive voter even if Abegail whatthefuck does not.

If you believe 'they should have lost', then you are predicting a long term Republican rule in this nation. They lost not for their policy positions. They lost because they were falsely accused of being the same as Socialists. They lost because Dems were sleeping while the Koch Bros were taking over states and making it impossible for Democrats to win state level elections via gerrymandering.

They came in during the '18 rejection of trump, and lost because of trump voters flooding the polls. We're going to see what happens in this mid term.

 

[Jack]

It's shocking that 70% of the eligible voters came out to vote at all. That's almost unprecedented. That shows how important people felt this election was.

It might be time for another tutorial. Instead of the multi quote button, the 'wrap quote tags' button at the top right of your reply box.

I actually find the:
Althea: "_______ "
Jack: _______
method more to my liking. I think it's more condensed and has greater focus on "Statement" and Reply. (Maybe I'm just used to it?)

 

[Althea]

The laffer curve does not work. The numbers tell the story. In every case where we had a large upper class tax cut, tax revenues as a percentage of GDP dropped. David Stockman, the chief economist that developed Reagan's policies has admitted this. That being said, I agree we are taxing too little. And I'd argue that more or less when it comes to taxes is a misnomer. Tax policy is about TARGETING various types of taxes to ensure they are maximizing economic growth and low unemployment. We are miserably failing at that, and have been since the Reagan era. The transfer of wealth to the top (where it is NOT spent) is unsustainable. If the laffer curve worked, you would not see that enormous shift of the wealth to the top. Infinity fountains only work when there is a balance of flow from the top to the bottom and back again. All the water is in the top of the fountain. It's a major problem.

There are reasons why the transfer of wealth happened. Our economy's shape used to be a circle. Now it's a straight line up/down.

In the circle, the top of the circle always ends up with the money in the end, but everyone in the circle gets to touch the money as it 'circulates'. When we sent all of our jobs overseas, the economy became the straight line. People at the bottom spent what money they had, but the money went overseas for labor, with the profits heading straight up the line to the top.

Nobody here got to touch the money again, because it disappeared from our economy

 

[Althea]

One person's 'Charismatic Leader' is another person's 'Repulsive A-Hole'. The problem is that if Biden does not do something transformative as in enacting policies people want, Trump is perfectly capable of winning the republican nomination again in 2024 and then, as unbelievable as it is to those who see a 'Repulsive A-Hole, he can win the general. If Biden provides Med4All and some other wildly popular and needed Progressive policies, he will be a shoo-in. Will he go against his corporate donors? We are going to find out.

It's the 21st century. If Biden doesn't get both Georgia senators, he'll accomplish next to nothing. The question is "will he scream from the rooftops, or pull an Obama and try to act with class and dignity while it's getting rammed up his ass"

Biden's got one thing that Obama didn't...he doesn't have to worry about being 'uppity' in the eyes of the scumbags.

 

[Althea]

I'm not sure Trump REALLY wants to be President again. That Job is WAY out of his league. But I can see him going out and being a Reality TV Personality. Making the BIG BUCKS.

I think Bernie & Co. have 'a seat at the table' ... not sure how much clout they will have. (?)

He doesn't, and don't worry. He won't be running in '24. He won't be able to.

 

[Althea]

Agreed on Trump. He'd have more fun on Trump TV than being POTUS. Regardless, losing hurts his fragile ego. Nobody likes to lose, but most people are sane enough to take it in stride. Trump is the equivalent of OJ being pissed off about his ex dating other people.

Very apt. Both were privileged, and both suffered severe rage.

 

[dukkha]

Yes. Noise

disinformation. dont say that to CARP he'll lose his mind over socks.
I only have 2 accounts. I can only have 2 usernames at one time.

I opened this account as NOISE and have changed it to current - i can't go back and use a previous username.
The site thinks it's already registered - even though it's with my Email account making the request username change of the same

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Only because they vote against their own best interests. Farm subsidies are typically Conservative, but not by much. Food Stamps are a big reason for Mid West farmers being able to sell their crops too, though.

Ironically, subsidies are Socialistic, but you don't hear that from anyone who benefits from them. Nor from those who buy votes with them.

Translation: They don't agree with Democrats so fuck'em.

The fact remains 73M+ Americans voted for Trump. Why? The people who claim it's because they are stupid are proving their own stupidity. The people who don't care why 73M+ Americans voted Republican are not going to change anything.

Why would someone vote against their best interests? Maybe that's not what they are looking at.

 

[Althea]

I actually find the:
Althea: "_______ "
Jack: _______
method more to my liking.

I guess it's almost the same amount of work?

I think it's more condensed and has greater focus on "Statement" and Reply. (Maybe I'm just used to it?)

You don't think this give similar focus? And by adding =any username after the [quote, it puts the name of the member you are addressing, much as you do.

like this

I just find on your lengthy posts, it's a tad easier to read.

 

[Cinnabar]

It's the 21st century. If Biden doesn't get both Georgia senators, he'll accomplish next to nothing. The question is "will he scream from the rooftops, or pull an Obama and try to act with class and dignity while it's getting rammed up his ass"

Biden's got one thing that Obama didn't...he doesn't have to worry about being 'uppity' in the eyes of the scumbags.

The disturbing thing is that Biden already said he would veto Med4All if it came across his desk so how different is that from his GOP counterparts? This is one of the reasons right here of why I only voted for Biden just to get rid of Trump. We have a huge problem in the USA.

 

[Jack]

We're never going to understand the minds of fools. Obama was different. Many apolitical black people voted for him for obvious reasons. White people voted for him because he could form full sentences. Not a high bar after Bush.

Many assumed that women would blindly vote for Hillary, but they didn't. Go figure?


This election wasn't about charisma. It was about sanity, and calm. That was Biden.

We're never going to understand the minds of fools.

70 million people voted for Trump. It's easy to dismiss them as 'fools' or 'racists'. I think that is a mistake. I'd like to analyze what motivated them.

Obama was different. Many apolitical black people voted for him for obvious reasons. White people voted for him because he could form full sentences. Not a high bar after Bush.

I disagree. 1.. Obama was charismatic, like a JFK. 2. And Obama had a Progressive Agenda.

This election wasn't about charisma. It was about sanity, and calm. That was Biden.

Agree.