Raising The Debt Ceiling

bravo said:
Thats another thing you're gonna find...Onecell will pussy foot, tip toe and tapdance around every point you make....seldom will he debate or commit to a definite position...
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That seems to be a trend with many of the libtards here. Apparently they have little faith in their positions.
 
Stallion said:
What games are the republicans playing? Do you not agree with their plans? Or are you talking about the Tea Party folks who won't agree to anything? If so, I agree with you. Great post, thank you.
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It is not just the Tea Party that is refusing to address revenue increases. I have no problem with them sticking to their guns on not raising the tax brackets. But closing loopholes, eliminating deductions and subsidies.... essentially simplifying the tax code, should never be taken off the table in such a reckless manner.
 
Stallion said:
Thanks for the heads up. Appears many on the left are like that here.
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Oncelor is only like that with some people. If you provide a reasonable debate, he will most certainly participate. But he has about as much patience for partisan lemmings as I do and he mocks them almost as much as I do.
 
Superfreak said:
Oncelor is only like that with some people. If you provide a reasonable debate, he will most certainly participate. But he has about as much patience for partisan lemmings as I do and he mocks them almost as much as I do.
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Why has he failed to address President Obama's comment? His sentence, "It's somewhat disingenuous to act like borrowing to finance our way of life is a new thing for the U.S. It's been our m.o. for decades," does not make sense in this thread. Is he referring to me? As far as I know, no one has said anything like that at all in this thread.

I'll keep in mind what you say and let his posts be the proof in the pudding.
 
Obama was wrong when he said it. Reagan raised the debt ceiling 16 times, he was not ever a failed leader. As SF said, keeping the tax bracket where they are but closing loopholes should never be taken off the table. I have heard some on the right call closing loopholes a tax increase. That is as Disingenuous as lefties calling a failure to RAISE spending a cut in benefits. SF I haven't been watching ANY television news or talking heads. I read an article in the London Telegraph who quoted Stephen Lewis from Monument Securities. He says the failure to make our coupon payments, more or less by the 15th of this month "would make the financial market seizure in the wake of Lehman Brothers’ collapse look like a mild irritation."
 
Superfreak said:
Oncelor is only like that with some people. If you provide a reasonable debate, he will most certainly participate. But he has about as much patience for partisan lemmings as I do and he mocks them almost as much as I do.
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bullpuckey...i've repeatedly asked him to debate me without insults on any topic he wants, i created a whole thread just for the reasonable debate and he shit on it, i think even you called him a jerk for doing that...i provided him with a reasonable debate then and numerous times

you're blinded by your love for him :)
 
Fuck that shit. Closing loopholes is a fucking tax increase. These wholes are looking at eliminating the home interest deduction. The should focus 100 percent on the fucking 20 percent waist in gov spending.
 
Stallion said:
Why has he failed to address President Obama's comment? His sentence, "It's somewhat disingenuous to act like borrowing to finance our way of life is a new thing for the U.S. It's been our m.o. for decades," does not make sense in this thread. Is he referring to me? As far as I know, no one has said anything like that at all in this thread.

I'll keep in mind what you say and let his posts be the proof in the pudding.
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Obama is in over his head on this issue. I think the circumstances are too big for him. To his credit, I think they are too big for most - certainly anyone we can attract to the Presidency under the current system.

I wasn't really referring to you; more to the discussion, and to the idea of debt in general. I thought you were implying that it was a failure of current leadership; I agree w/ that, but it's been a similar failure for decades, including Ronald the Great.
 
Yurt said:
bullpuckey...i've repeatedly asked him to debate me without insults on any topic he wants, i created a whole thread just for the reasonable debate and he shit on it, i think even you called him a jerk for doing that...i provided him with a reasonable debate then and numerous times

you're blinded by your love for him :)
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You've invited me to debate; when I accept, I usually own you pretty instantly, and it becomes a word-parsing/goal moving game. It's annoying, and not worth much time.
 
Onceler said:
You've invited me to debate; when I accept, I usually own you pretty instantly, and it becomes a word-parsing/goal moving game. It's annoying, and not worth much time.
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oh really? is that why you ran away from our discussion about iraq, obama's leadership by claiming i'm a blind hack for saying bush was not a good choice in 04 and he made mistakes in iraq...oh really? you stopped reading after a few words, you didn't debate, you ad hom'd and lied about me being a blind hack. that you have to proclaim you win is truly hilarious and shows how insecure you are and how afraid you are to actually debate me.

i even created a thread that invited you to debate me one on one with no ad homs....your response...you insulted me...so no, you have never accepted an invitation from me.
 
Superfreak said:
Oncelor is only like that with some people. If you provide a reasonable debate, he will most certainly participate. But he has about as much patience for partisan lemmings as I do and he mocks them almost as much as I do.
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Yeah, Onecell is like that with the people that pwn him and prove him wrong.....then he mocks others with a gusto, ignores the proof or logic you provide or abandons the thread completely...usually all three....and I consider him one of the better left wingers to converse with....
 
Socrtease said:
Obama was wrong when he said it. Reagan raised the debt ceiling 16 times, he was not ever a failed leader. As SF said, keeping the tax bracket where they are but closing loopholes should never be taken off the table. I have heard some on the right call closing loopholes a tax increase. That is as Disingenuous as lefties calling a failure to RAISE spending a cut in benefits. SF I haven't been watching ANY television news or talking heads. I read an article in the London Telegraph who quoted Stephen Lewis from Monument Securities. He says the failure to make our coupon payments, more or less by the 15th of this month "would make the financial market seizure in the wake of Lehman Brothers’ collapse look like a mild irritation."
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yes, that is an accurate statement. The thing of it is.... there is NO reason we will fail to make our interest (coupon) payments unless it is by CHOICE. The interest payments are roughly $40b. We have about $200B in revenue coming in each month.

Things like cutting postal service to two days a week, cutting salaries of Congress and non-essential government agencies are likely... but none of those are a default on our debt. The default scare is just that... a scare tactic that some in the media have also used.
 
Stallion said:
Still deflecting from the topic. So if I ask a few democrats a question, then I can attribute their answer to the entire party? Why do you keep asking questions when you've already been answered by a few posters? I don't attribute a few responses to the entire democratic party. If you are too ashamed to address the topic, I'll understand. But please stop trolling this thread. Thank you.
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Why, is this your thread?
 
Stallion said:
Please stop trolling this thread. I'm guessing that if I posted this thread about how Republicans should listen to Reagan, you would not have trolled this thread and instead agreed with me. Please stop posting in this thread unless you have something to say about the topic. Thank you.
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Are you saying you own this thread and get to choose who can post in it? Is that what your mommy taught you?
 
Stallion said:
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
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Some would call me a liberal.
You are right, it is a colosal failure of leadership...on the part of George W. Bush.

How many times was the debt limit raised under Bush II ?

How much did Bush II increase the national debt?
 
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