Putin to Trump: "Pull your troops out of Syria NOW, or else I'll spill the beans."

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Putin to Trump: "Pull your troops out of Syria NOW, or else I'll spill the beans."

And Trump obliges since he loves sucking Putin's dick.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/19/us-troops-syria-withdrawal-trump

I hope all the fucking morons that voted for this fucking moron are happy with their choice.

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It appears most of the Trump supporters here think taking Putin's advice is a good military move for the US.
 
It appears most of the Trump supporters here think taking Putin's advice is a good military move for the US.

I guess they're getting tired of sucking Trump's dick on a daily basis and now have turned to Putin's dick. Kim Jong Un is next.

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tell us why we need to have a permanent force in Syria?
we don't even have one in Iraq~

I agree. We Don't need troops in Syria. But it's not about that. It's about Trump making this major decision without consulting his generals. Doesn't that concern you?
 
I agree. We Don't need troops in Syria. But it's not about that. It's about Trump making this major decision without consulting his generals. Doesn't that concern you?
you think he didn't talk to Mattis. or the NSC? the bullshit CNN press twists a disagreement into "he didn't talk"

Trump campaigned on getting in and out of Syria.
I keep hearing reasons like "checking Iran" when Iran is already all over Syria.. screw the neocon/neolibs
 
To protect the SDF.

"Trump left Kurdish allies to be 'eaten alive', say Syrians in SDF-held areas"
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syria-kurds-say-keep-anti-fight-unless-turkey-attacks-1067113257
here is a strategic exercise for you: what is the fallacy in this?
I bolded my concerns. you have to look at this without sentimentality
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https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syria-kurds-say-keep-anti-fight-unless-turkey-attacks-1067113257
But the loss of the US presence has renewed worries that Turkey, which regards the SDF's main component the People's Protection Units (YPG) as an extension of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), may now be preparing to launch an operation to drive the group out of the city of Manbij or further.

"The latest news has been literally shocking, we didn’t only have the threats of being attacked by the Turks but, to top it all, the US decided to leave with no one to replace [them]," said Nour Osou, a 38-year-old resident of Tal Abyad, a town the YPG captured from IS in 2015.

"It’s obvious to me and everyone here, my neighbours and friends, that this is part of a big plot that was being cooked," she told MEE.

"It's unbelievable why it’s going this way with the Trump administration - leaving Turkey and Russia to prevail in Syria, leaving their allies eaten alive?"
 
Trump not only posses on the Kurds but walked away from our alliance with France and Britian in Syria

Who in the hell would ever join any alliance to confront anything with the US as long as Trump is around?
 
Trump not only posses on the Kurds but walked away from our alliance with France and Britian in Syria

Who in the hell would ever join any alliance to confront anything with the US as long as Trump is around?
alliances are transactional. France has a history in Syria. If Britain wants to stay they can.

There is never a "good time" to leave, but sooner or later you have to cut bait
 
here is a strategic exercise for you: what is the fallacy in this?
I bolded my concerns. you have to look at this without sentimentality
~~
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syria-kurds-say-keep-anti-fight-unless-turkey-attacks-1067113257
But the loss of the US presence has renewed worries that Turkey, which regards the SDF's main component the People's Protection Units (YPG) as an extension of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), may now be preparing to launch an operation to drive the group out of the city of Manbij or further.

"The latest news has been literally shocking, we didn’t only have the threats of being attacked by the Turks but, to top it all, the US decided to leave with no one to replace [them]," said Nour Osou, a 38-year-old resident of Tal Abyad, a town the YPG captured from IS in 2015.

"It’s obvious to me and everyone here, my neighbours and friends, that this is part of a big plot that was being cooked," she told MEE.

"It's unbelievable why it’s going this way with the Trump administration - leaving Turkey and Russia to prevail in Syria, leaving their allies eaten alive?"

anatta: "here is a strategic exercise for you: what is the fallacy in this?"
Jack: Turkey, a supposed NATO ally, is a false ally.

When the US invaded Iraq (and I don't want to debate the wisdom of that) the US was to have a 'Northern Invasion Route' through Turkey. At the last minute, Turkey (our supposed NATO ally) prevented the US from doing that.

Now, the SDF is eliminating ISIS east of the Euphrates, and deserves our continued support. Turkey isn't doing anything against ISIS, the Main Threat to the US.

from link: "But the loss of the US presence has renewed worries that Turkey, which regards the SDF's main component the People's Protection Units (YPG) as an extension of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), may now be preparing to launch an operation to drive the group out of the city of Manbij or further."
Jack: See the Problem? Turkey is gearing up to massacre the SDF (allies of the US), the group that has eliminated ISIS from east of the Euphrates. Why do we want to let Turkey kill out allies (the SDF) that have killed our enemies (ISIS)?

Did you think Bush handing over Iraq to Iran was a brilliant Military victory? Do you think Trump handing over the rest of Syria (Rojava) to the Russian/Iranian/Assad Alliance would be another brilliant Military victory?
 
anatta: "here is a strategic exercise for you: what is the fallacy in this?"
Jack: Turkey, a supposed NATO ally, is a false ally.

When the US invaded Iraq (and I don't want to debate the wisdom of that) the US was to have a 'Northern Invasion Route' through Turkey. At the last minute, Turkey (our supposed NATO ally) prevented the US from doing that.

Now, the SDF is eliminating ISIS east of the Euphrates, and deserves our continued support. Turkey isn't doing anything against ISIS, the Main Threat to the US.

from link: "But the loss of the US presence has renewed worries that Turkey, which regards the SDF's main component the People's Protection Units (YPG) as an extension of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), may now be preparing to launch an operation to drive the group out of the city of Manbij or further."
Jack: See the Problem? Turkey is gearing up to massacre the SDF (allies of the US), the group that has eliminated ISIS from east of the Euphrates. Why do we want to let Turkey kill out allies (the SDF) that have killed our enemies (ISIS)?

Did you think Bush handing over Iraq to Iran was a brilliant Military victory? Do you think Trump handing over the rest of Syria (Rojava) to the Russian/Iranian/Assad Alliance would be another brilliant Military victory?
agree you've identified all the areas of Turkish concern ( and then some -good job)

How can we pressure Turkey to not kill Kurds? I don't see how we can -if so us being in Syria doesn't fulfill that goal. Meaning us staying there is the only way to keep Turkey from going on a border crossing.

Should we stay in Syria to check Turkey's move, even with the benefit of keeping ISIS from"reforming"
For how long?
Are you willing to make it a permanent presence? *because that's what happens more often then not*

Did you think Bush handing over Iraq to Iran was a brilliant Military victory? Do you think Trump handing over the rest of Syria (Rojava) to the Russian/Iranian/Assad Alliance would be another brilliant Military victory?
Russians are in control of Syria with their partners. It's not ours to "hand over"
 
agree you've identified all the areas of Turkish concern ( and then some -good job)

How can we pressure Turkey to not kill Kurds? I don't see how we can -if so us being in Syria doesn't fulfill that goal. Meaning us staying there is the only way to keep Turkey from going on a border crossing.

Should we stay in Syria to check Turkey's move, even with the benefit of keeping ISIS from"reforming"
For how long?
Are you willing to make it a permanent presence? *because that's what happens more often then not*

Russians are in control of Syria with their partners. It's not ours to "hand over"

Turkey/Erdogan has come to terms with Iraqi Kurdistan (Southern Kurdistan). Iraqi Kurdistan is an autonomous region of Iraq. Syrian Kurdistan (Western Kurdistan) wants the same/similar arrangement within Syria, an autonomous region.

"In Turkish political circles, there is a popular quip: "The United States wanted Turkey and Iraq's Kurds to become friends, not get married."1 As their cooperation deepens, especially in hydrocarbons, observers increasingly question whether the relationship will endure. A solid strategic relationship is born of shared national interests, mutual respect and real interdependence. Fleeting cooperation, in contrast, stems from a temporary confluence of political interests, typically dependent on the personalities and preferences of leaders who may fall from power in the foreseeable future. Such cooperation can fulfill pressing needs, but both parties know the arrangement will be discarded in short order.

Have Ankara and Erbil become real partners? For a variety of reasons, the relationship between the two likely represents an emergent strategic alliance more than a temporary marriage. Shared national interests appear particularly strong, while mutual respect and interdependence have been growing. Many longtime observers of Turkey have difficulty coming to terms with such a shift. Since its founding in 1923, the Turkish Republic could always be depended upon to oppose anything Kurdish anywhere in the world. When the United States first overthrew Saddam Hussein's regime in 2003, Turkey worried most about how this might facilitate Kurdish secession from Iraq. However, the nature of Turkey and its priorities and views of the Kurds have changed since Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Justice and Development Party (Adalet ve Kalkinma Partisi,AKP) came to power in 2002."
https://www.mepc.org/iraqi-kurdistan-and-turkey-temporary-marriage

anatta: "Russians are in control of Syria with their partners. It's not ours to "hand over" "
Jack: The SDF, backed by the United States, is in control of northeast Syria (Rojava), land east of the Euphrates. They have a secular, democratic government there. Respect for religious and ethnic diversity. If the US leaves, we are effectively "handing over" this budding example of what the Middle East could be.

"The Democratic Federation of Northern Syria (DFNS), formerly and still commonly known as Rojava, is a de facto autonomous region in northern Syria. It consists of three self-governing regions:[5] Afrin Region, Jazira Region, and Euphrates Region.[6] The region gained its de facto autonomy in 2012[7] as part of the ongoing Rojava conflict and the wider Syrian Civil War. While entertaining some foreign relations, the DFNS is not officially recognized as autonomous by the government of Syria or any international state or organization.[8][9]

Northern Syria is polyethnic and home to sizeable ethnic Kurdish, Arab, Assyrian-Syriac, and Turkmen populations; with smaller communities of ethnic Armenians and Chechens.[10][11] Parts of northeastern Syria are regarded by Kurdish nationalists as Western Kurdistan (Kurdish: Rojavayê Kurdistanê‎),[12] one of the four parts of Greater Kurdistan.[13] Much of Northern Syria is also considered by Syriac-Assyrians as Gozarto (meaning Upper Mesopotamia), part of the historical Syriac-Assyrian homeland."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Federation_of_Northern_Syria
 
Just for 'guno', the Jew-centric, non-Jew.

"The Syrian Kurds: Israel's forgotten ally"

"Iran is now closer than ever to securing a land corridor that will connect it to the Mediterranean through Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. This corridor will expand its sphere of influence from the Strait of Hormuz in the east to the Mediterranean in the west, and will ensure that Israel is surrounded by land and sea.

Israel would do well to eye Rojava with interest, and not only to confront Iran’s penetration. Rojava and Iraqi Kurdistan are the only entities in the Middle East, apart from Israel, that enjoy open, secular, and liberal rule granting considerable rights to the opposition, women, and minorities. This is particularly notable in a region where radical and totalitarian ideologies prevail."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/21140




 
It appears most of the Trump supporters here think taking Putin's advice is a good military move for the US.

Because they are partisan hacks and HYPOCRITES! The 'keyboard warriors' here threw shade for Bush for his 6 year Iraq invasion then screamed because Obama pulled out on BUSH's schedule. Now they are throwing shade for Trump who is pulling out from Syria.
 
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