Pro lifers show no mercy

Do we have anti choice woman?
Or is it just trailer trash white guys!

of course we do......my wife is just as opposed to abortion as I am.....

gallup poll.....women pro choice 47% women pro life 46%

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but the law also provides that a woman can take the life of her husband in order to save her life or that of her children.....its called self-defense......

THen that would likely be acceptable legally and IMO morally. YOu are correct, it's called self-defense, not murder which is what pro-lifers consider abortion.
 
to be fair, Lorca is also justifying the killing of children for "lifestyle" by claiming threat to the mother's life.....to her one justifies the other.....

"LIfestyle?' Being able to fulfill your OWN potential by finishing school, developing a real career, having the ability to contribute more to society, not choosing to be forced into taking public assistance, being able to provide a more healthy and stable home for other children in the future? Irresponsible stuff like that?

And if that's the case, adoption....if the woman survives childbirth with no long-term health consequences....enables a woman to carry on some imaginary party lifestyle too I guess.

The point here is...no one else should make these life decisions for a woman. Do you want someone making these decisions for you?
 
I would expect it should matter since you are justifying the killing because of the threat to the mother's life.....

Oh no, I dont use that. Pro-lifers do. I support abortion by choice. (Most) Pro-lifers acknowledge that abortion is acceptable is a 'necessary evil' in cases of rape, incest, & mother's life in danger.

I believe it is up to the mother to decide if that 'necessary evil' is the best option for her.
 
I dont see why you dont realize that you cannot control what a woman thinks or feels. Or what gives you the right to tell her or force her to recognize your feelings?

It's not up to you to tell her 'what' risks she should take with her life and health....do you allow others to do that to you? If so, how do you feel about that? Are they experts like doctors? Or authorities that think they know what's best for you?

So since this is America & we value personal rights and we also know you cannot make people think what you want....that is why we have choice. A woman can choose all the things you listed. And millions do.

(Again...YOU choose to attach feelings and emotion to fetuses you have zero to connection to....you are welcome to do that but you have no right to force someone else to do that. It's none of your business.).

She has many options, American women know these. You should respect her enough to let her decide what is best for HER.

Would you want some stranger making life-changing or even life-endangering decisions for YOU? (I asked this earlier, no answer).

I want SOMEONE making life-endangering decisions for the sake of the child......

That's fine....we have lots of laws to protect children. But we're talking about the unborn..and that is what it is and we've already determined that its rights do not supersede the woman's. If there's a way to influence that fetus without infringing on the rights of the woman, I guess that's ok.

If you could control your emotions and not develop some artificial and unnatural attachment to something that is none of your business and might never even be born under normal circumstances, you might be able to see that your argument is hypocritical. You want to*save the babies!!!!!*. Very noble. Save some 'babies' that you know. Leave strangers alone unless you want to support them in ANY decision they make..
 
Your example of Trayvon Martin doesnt work because the case was about self-defense....which is not murder. Killing someone in self-defense is not murder....but just because someone uses that as a legal defense doesnt meant it's true....that why there's a trial.

So? Why is that 'murder' ok if it's on the woman's behalf? Because her rights DO supersede those of the unborn and pro-lifers just dont want to acknowledge it.

Lorca, you can't seem to get it right...murder is not ok if its on the womens behalf....or a man's behalf for that matter....murder is a crime
what you mean is killing a human, that can be ok in certain circumstances....

taking a life in self Defense is not murder....abortion for self defense isn't either....it isn't about a women rights....its about self defense...thats EVERYONE right.

it also has nothing to do with born or unborn....you can legally take ANY human life if that human life puts your life in serious danger....thats also why there are trials...

Just understand,
the fact that someone gives you a headache is not a threat to your life...
the fact that you don't want to take care of a baby is not a threat to your life....etc...
 
Lorca, you can't seem to get it right...murder is not ok if its on the womens behalf....or a man's behalf for that matter....murder is a crime
what you mean is killing a human, that can be ok in certain circumstances....

taking a life in self Defense is not murder....abortion for self defense isn't either....it isn't about a women rights....its about self defense...thats EVERYONE right.

it also has nothing to do with born or unborn....you can legally take ANY human life if that human life puts your life in serious danger....thats also why there are trials...

Just understand,
the fact that someone gives you a headache is not a threat to your life...
the fact that you don't want to take care of a baby is not a threat to your life....etc...

I never said 'murder' was ok.

Most pro-lifers find abortion acceptable (they call it murder, I dont) in cases of rape, incest, or if the woman's life is in danger. Only 1 of those examples is a threat to life. How come it's legal and acceptable even to most pro-lifers in the first 2?

Now back to threat to life: Any pregnancy is a risk to the woman's life. And also to her future health (possibly gross bodily harm in which lethal force is also legal). Abortion can also pose a risk to her life.

It is not up to YOU or anyone else to decide on the risks that woman takes with her health, her right to life, and her right to pursue happiness.
 
"LIfestyle?' Being able to fulfill your OWN potential by finishing school, developing a real career, having the ability to contribute more to society, not choosing to be forced into taking public assistance, being able to provide a more healthy and stable home for other children in the future? Irresponsible stuff like that?

If a woman doesn't want a child to interfere with her lifestyle, she could choose not to procreate in the first place...birth control, responsible stuff like that?
 
Just because some people abuse a system/service/institution doesn't mean it should be taken away from everybody. That's what freedom of choice is all about.
 
"LIfestyle?' Being able to fulfill your OWN potential by finishing school, developing a real career, having the ability to contribute more to society, not choosing to be forced into taking public assistance, being able to provide a more healthy and stable home for other children in the future? Irresponsible stuff like that?

will sacrificing nine months of her life result in all that?.......
 
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