Pro lifers show no mercy

Lorca said:
Drama isnt really going to get you anywhere in this discussion, altho that is the pro-lifer's greatest weapon.
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Let the baby killers have their abortions then let them take their planned litters with them and go down the road. America used to be a marriage oriented society, now' it's an abortion on demand, feminized feminist society.

If females of the feminist persuasion think that men are nothing but predator animals then maybe it's high time the men started acting more the part. Stay single, get what you want off them then send them on their merry way.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
but we believe they ARE equal.....you're the one claiming we believe the rights of the unborn supersede those of the mother.....
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No, the minute the law AND even (most) pro-lifers allow terminating the pregnancy in cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger, that is clear proof that they are NOT equal.

Give me examples in American society where it is legal to take the life of a person (someone who has been born) to save someone else from mental anguish, dire health consequences, or death?

Even most pro-lifers find this acceptable (and let's be clear...NO ONE thinks it's "good," not even pro-choice people).
 
Lorca said:
Why yes, we have:



So then, abortion is not murder?
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its what you asked for.....
Lorca said:
Give me examples in American society where it is legal to take the life of a person
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if abortion was not considered legal it would be murder......in several states, taking the life of an unborn child through any act other than an abortion is treated as murder......

consider for example the Travon Martin case......the law provides for self defense.....the jury decided it WAS self defense......are there not many liberals who say it was murder, to this day?


they want "stand your ground" repealed because they say Zimmerman got away with murder......I want abortion to be illegal because Planned Parenthood engages in murders every day.......
 
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It will ultimately be up to the women of America, not the men to stop these feminist disgraces in their tracks and revert America back to being a marriage oriented society again. This seems like an impossible task for the more conservative ladies none of whom exist here but whose numbers are in the millions across the landscape because the social pressure of the media and the entertainment industry of Hollywood and it's sewer pipe that reaches every corner of the world has the liberal feminist as the mainstay of example of American womanhood.

It is an extremely challenging problem but for the ladies who always were the cornerstones of every American family to begin with, it is a fight worth fighting and fight they do with all their intelligence and forthright persistence within conservative women groups nationwide.

Hillary Clinton who received millions of female votes during the 08 Democratic primaries looks like the next president with yet another eastern progressive weakling for the GOP being it's standard bearer for the next general such as Christie of New Jersey but was for me better presidential material and my choice before an Obama will none the less make the effort even more challenging. Again, it's ultimately up to women themselves and a reformation of the GOP.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
its what you asked for.....


if abortion was not considered legal it would be murder......in several states, taking the life of an unborn child through any act other than an abortion is treated as murder......

consider for example the Travon Martin case......the law provides for self defense.....the jury decided it WAS self defense......are there not many liberals who say it was murder, to this day?


they want "stand your ground" repealed because they say Zimmerman got away with murder......I want abortion to be illegal because Planned Parenthood engages in murders every day......

(Lorca: do you really want laws and convictions taking place in this country because: "they want" and "they say?")
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Your example of Trayvon Martin doesnt work because the case was about self-defense....which is not murder. Killing someone in self-defense is not murder....but just because someone uses that as a legal defense doesnt meant it's true....that why there's a trial.

Lorca said:
No, the minute the law AND even (most) pro-lifers allow terminating the pregnancy in cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger, that is clear proof that they are NOT equal.



Give me examples in American society where it is legal to take the life of a person (someone who has been born) to save someone else from mental anguish, dire health consequences, or death?

Even most pro-lifers find this acceptable (and let's be clear...NO ONE thinks it's "good," not even pro-choice people).
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So? Why is that 'murder' ok if it's on the woman's behalf? Because her rights DO supersede those of the unborn and pro-lifers just dont want to acknowledge it.
 
Lorca said:
Because her rights DO supersede those of the unborn
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since the state does not recognize ANY rights for the unborn I expect that went without saying.....the issue is whether that should change.....

(Lorca: do you really want laws and convictions taking place in this country because: "they want" and "they say?")
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I'm not proposing a change in law because "they say".....I'm proposing a change in the law because it's the just thing to do.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
since the state does not recognize ANY rights for the unborn I expect that went without saying.....the issue is whether that should change.....

I'm not proposing a change in law because "they say".....I'm proposing a change in the law because it's the just thing to do.....
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And I'm trying to see where you would have LEGAL grounds to do so. Pro-lifers insist those are 'persons' with a 'right to life.' I am trying to point out that, really, they're not. Because even the pro-lifers recognize and draw a line where the mother's rights supersede the fetus.

I think your use of 'just' is also interesting....but that's up to you. IMO, it's incredibly 'unjust' to insist that a woman carry a 'meaningless' or 'unwanted' or 'unaffordable' lump of tissue that can kill her, damage her health, or ruin her future prospects of education or job.

*I* am not saying that's how *I* look at pregnancy....but not all women attach love and meaning and a devoted future to every pregnancy. That is their RIGHT. That is why I believe in choice.

So your attempts at justice do not necessarily provide justice for the already born.
 
Lorca said:
And I'm trying to see where you would have LEGAL grounds to do so.
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???....passing the law CREATES the legal grounds.....not the other way around.....

I think your use of 'just' is also interesting....but that's up to you. IMO, it's incredibly 'unjust' to insist that a woman carry a 'meaningless' or 'unwanted' or 'unaffordable' lump of tissue that can kill her, damage her health, or ruin her future prospects of education or job.
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you see, that's where we differ......I consider it unjust to pretend that a living human is nothing more than a lump of tissue......as we have already noted, either killing the baby or delivering it have an equal chance of killing her or damaging her health......and if she puts the child up for adoption it will have zero impact on her prospects for education or a job.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
???....passing the law CREATES the legal grounds.....not the other way around.....



you see, that's where we differ......I consider it unjust to pretend that a living human is nothing more than a lump of tissue......as we have already noted, either killing the baby or delivering it have an equal chance of killing her or damaging her health......and if she puts the child up for adoption it will have zero impact on her prospects for education or a job.....
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I understand, but we live in a country with a Constitution based on personal liberty and certain rights. So I've been trying to see how 'legally' there are grounds to enable the govt to decide this for a woman.

I realize you feel that's unjust. But I dont see why you dont realize that you cannot control what a woman thinks or feels. Or what gives you the right to tell her or force her to recognize your feelings?

It's not up to you to tell her 'what' risks she should take with her life and health....do you allow others to do that to you? If so, how do you feel about that? Are they experts like doctors? Or authorities that think they know what's best for you?

So since this is America & we value personal rights and we also know you cannot make people think what you want....that is why we have choice. A woman can choose all the things you listed. And millions do.

(Again...YOU choose to attach feelings and emotion to fetuses you have zero to connection to....you are welcome to do that but you have no right to force someone else to do that. It's none of your business.).
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no one is trying to control what she thinks or feels....merely trying to keep her from killing her children...
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She has many options, American women know these. You should respect her enough to let her decide what is best for HER.

Would you want some stranger making life-changing or even life-endangering decisions for YOU? (I asked this earlier, no answer).
 
Lorca said:
She has many options, American women know these. You should respect her enough to let her decide what is best for HER.

Would you want some stranger making life-changing or even life-endangering decisions for YOU? (I asked this earlier, no answer).
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How about if killing her husband is best for her....you ok with that ?

Practially no abortions are done for any life endangering reasons.....they are done for convenience....not all, but most.
The life of the mother is ALWAYS paramount in any pregnancy.....
 
NOVA said:
How about if killing her husband is best for her....you ok with that ?

Practially no abortions are done for any life endangering reasons.....they are done for convenience....not all, but most.
The life of the mother is ALWAYS paramount in any pregnancy.....
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Doesnt killing her husband infringe on his rights, esp. his right to life? You only have to look at the last page or 2 to see why that is different....even for pro-lifers, than for the unborn.

Why does it matter why the abortion is done?
 
Lorca said:
She has many options, American women know these. You should respect her enough to let her decide what is best for HER.

Would you want some stranger making life-changing or even life-endangering decisions for YOU? (I asked this earlier, no answer).
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I want SOMEONE making life-endangering decisions for the sake of the child......
 
If an unborn baby is just a tissue mass, why are thugs charged with multiple homicide when they murder a pregnant woman?
 
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