Power of impeachment rendered meaningless

Darth Omar said:
Trump didn’t incite it and he didn’t condone it.

That’s speculation which goes beyond the evidence and that’s been the problem all along. If that evidence exists where is the criminal indictment?

This makes the second impeachment House Democrats embarked on knowing they didn’t have the votes in the Senate. And no, it’s not because of cowardly republicans. There are enough Senate republicans that would be happy to be rid of Trump BUT they aren’t going to take a politically risky vote without compelling evidence.

They know the evidence in both proceedings was thin and they didn’t want to go back and try and defend their vote in front of constituents that knew it was thin, as well. That’s not the way to get re-elected.

Democrats may have inflicted political damage on a Trump with these misguided impeachments but they have damaged themselves in the process.

They now own an 0-2 conviction record—against the same president.

That’s historical but it’s not good history.
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As a loyal Trumper it's surprising you have this backwards. The point is Trump did incite and condone it and that's fine. Time to move on. You need to remember your marching orders.
 
BartenderElite said:
As the prosecution so eloquently stated, if inciting and condoning an insurrection against our republic is not considered to be a high crime and misdemeanor - nothing is.

The GOP has made their choice. It's a bed they'll have to lie in for many years.

We're down to one viable American political party.
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By now we're aware that impeachment will never result in the conviction, removal, or disqualification of a president.
The founders pretty much guaranteed that with the process that they left us.
It seeks to illuminate the facts to a nation that in large part doesn't care about the facts.
 
martin said:
As a loyal Trumper it's surprising you have this backwards. The point is Trump did incite and condone it and that's fine. Time to move on. You need to remember your marching orders.
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If Trump incited a riot that blew up an objective he spends weeks preparing for he’s incredibly stupid. Either that, it’s an incredibly stupid crime theory.

I’ll let you pick.
 
CASPER said:
Look at this way, which Party controls The House, The Senate, and the Whitehouse.

The GOP will be busy eating each other for the next year or more and the Dems can look forward to running the show for at least the next Decade. Do a good job unless you want a trump II to come along.
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You really believe that, don't you!!
 
Primavera said:
You really believe that, don't you!!
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Yes I do, don't you know that the Dems control Congress and the WH, read more.

It is already happening, the GOP has a very rough year ahead of them, and I would not be the least bit surprised to see a break up, will you stay with the Republicans or the Trumpers???
 
CASPER said:
Yes I do, don't you know that the Dems control Congress and the WH, read more.

It is already happening, the GOP has a very rough year ahead of them, and I would not be the least bit surprised to see a break up, will you stay with the Republicans or the Trumpers???
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Only till 2022, when people wake up to SloJo's war on jobs and destroys US energy independence. Can you tell me why anybody sensible would do that? No wonder Xi is ecstatic!
 
Primavera said:
Only till 2022, when people wake up to SloJo's war on jobs and destroys US energy independence. Can you tell me why anybody sensible would do that? No wonder Xi is ecstatic!
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You do realize that you are talking about voting based on something that has not happened and if anything he will probably have the US on the way to full recovery economically so hence will probably gain seats in Congress, many are sick and tired of the way the Repubs and trump acted for four years, they are now fully exposed.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Even the Senate Republican leader is certain that Trump was responsible for the outrages of Jan 6. "There's no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day." See post #25.

McConnel voted not guilty on the impeachment charge because Trump is no longer in office, and for no other reason. And he warned that Trump is still open to criminal prosecurion.
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So why were you unable to orove it ?
 
Darth Omar said:
If Trump incited a riot that blew up an objective he spends weeks preparing for he’s incredibly stupid. Either that, it’s an incredibly stupid crime theory.

I’ll let you pick.
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Hard choice! Either Trump is incredibly stupid or McConnell is incredibly stupid: "There's no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day."

Hmm ... can I toss a coin?
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Hard choice! Either Trump is incredibly stupid or McConnell is incredibly stupid: "There's no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day."

Hmm ... can I toss a coin?
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I’m pretty sure that’s not the legal definition of incitement lol.

I thought Trump incited them to act in a specific way at a specific time for a particular objective? What you’re talking about is something along the lines of ‘irresponsible rhetoric’ or maybe negligence.

In a court of law the First Amendment might be a problem. We going to jettison that too?
 
Darth Omar said:
Omg the courts lol!

What was Trump’s motive with inciting the riot? Motives are something that comes up in actual trials and no one I’ve asked seems to have an answer for it.

Why would Trump cut his own nose off to spite his face by disrupting the very proceeding he and his team spent weeks preparing for by turning the horned shaman loose on the Capitol?

Makes zero sense but give it a go.
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Wow - you really think he had nothing to do w/ it, don't you?

That's somethin'.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
In a scathing floor speech, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on Saturday warned former President Donald Trump that he "didn't get away with anything" after the Senate acquitted him a second time following a historic impeachment trial.

"There's no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day," he said on the Senate floor. "The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president. And having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories and reckless hyperbole which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth."

"These criminals were carrying his banners. Hanging his flags and screaming their loyalty to him. It was obvious that only President Trump could end this. Former aides publicly begged him to do so. Loyal allies frantically called the administration. The president did not act swiftly. He did not do his job... Instead according to public reports he watched television happily as the chaos unfolded, kept pressing his scheme to overturn the election."

"President Trump is still liable for everything he did while in office," he said. "He didn't get away with anything yet. We have a criminal justice system in this country. We have civil litigation."

https://www.newsweek.com/mitch-mcco...thing-can-still-criminally-prosecuted-1569159


Sounds like Mitch has had enough of him, too. What do you think?
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Bottom line, he's still a weenie who wants to have it both ways. But I was still surprised at the vitriol.
 
Darth Omar said:
Shows what you know lol.

Trump wanted the vote *delayed* to allow state legislatures to review their irregularities. He can’t ‘stop the vote’. How was that supposed to work? The EC had to vote at some point but Trump’s team wanted to weed out the illegal votes and just count legal votes.

IOW, Trump had nothing to gain and everything to lose by telling the rioters to storm the Capitol.

That WILL come up in a trial and the prosecution needs to be prepared to answer it.

Or else it can be a short proceeding.
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Are you kidding? State legislatures had two months to review for irregularities and none were found.
 
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