Polling Shows That On Health Costs, ObamaCare Was A Massive Failure

You keep saying you are claiming nothing.

Incorrect. Try rereading. I have not said I'm claiming nothing. In fact, I expressly claimed that two ways of analyzing this issue were stupid, and I claimed another way of analyzing the issue wouldn't be. If you want the data, though, here's a start:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/HLTHSCPCHCSA

We don't have the most recent data, but we do have four years of data following the implementation of Obamacare, and ten years leading up to Obamacare. So, what's the rate of per capita health expenditure growth, annualized, for each period? This is not a difficult math problem, but I'm betting it's one you don't have a clue how to solve.
 
I know you'll never admit the truths the article I cite states, but it's always fun watching you winding yourself up and pitching a hissy fit.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2017/05/17/10-ways-the-gop-sabotaged-obamacare/

So far, from your article, I haven't seen ONE thing where Trump or the Congress have prevented anyone from enrolling. Perhaps you could cut and paste the exact passage that says Republicans are preventing enrollment. I can't seem to find it.

By the way, did you know that Chuck Smith-Dewey is a leftist cartoonist with ZERO experience working in, around or on healthcare industry things other than his personal Opinions and that this is his BLOG? If this is your source, it is less than credible and laughably stupid. He is also a major campaign donor to the Democratic Party; Al Franken in particular.

Who does Dewey support?

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I know you'll never admit the truths the article I cite states

Would you take a source of mine seriously if it was a right wing blogger with ZERO experience in the particular industry we are debating? I doubt it. So stop the little bitch act.
 
Despite his requests, he doesn't really care.

You take the time to explain it to him, yet he won't bother to read any of it. He'll just respond with more name calling and his typical infantile gifs and memes.

Trolling again I see; is that all you have snowflake? Lies and trolling and baiting? Pathetic.
 
Polling wouldn't be a sensible way to measure whether it was a failure when it comes to health costs. Obviously. The relevant comparison would be to measure the rate of health care costs increases leading up to Obamacare, and the rate of increases since Obamacare.

Um...why would soaring health care costs be identified as the top concern of the American people if the "Affordable" Care Act were lowering costs like it claimed it would rather than exploding them, exactly as conservatives (apparently the only people involved with any kind of basic economic literacy) said would happen from the beginning?

Duh.

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More Truth Rejector ignorance.

Ask any Canadian and the VAST MAJORITY will say Canada's healthcare system works wonderfully.

Moron; I know a Canadian doctor; I went to Canadian High School and have many friends there. My girlfriend is Canadian. I go there all the time; you think YOU know what the fuck you're bloviating about asshat?

When asked why they tolerate waiting a year for a hip replacement; they also say someone else must have needed it more than they did. They've been brain washed. You're lucky, you don't have any brains to wash. Moron.
 
I laugh long and loud whenever you post one of your infantile gifs because every time you do it means you've run out of intelligent things to say and I've got you flummoxed once again.

I am glad you laugh so long and so loud snowflake. It might be the ONLY skill you have. Thinking, being honest or capable of having a coherent debate are not one of them.
 
Correct. ACA never existed as planned. If it did, then we'd see a marked reduction in cancer and other issues that are cured/prevented with early diagnosis. I'm sure the numbers are improved, just as unwanted births were at a decades low before trump took office.

But...House Republicans de funded two key aspects of the law, which drove premium costs higher. Otherwise, it would be even more successful than it already is. We can only wonder what would have been, 4 years into the law.

Yeah that must be it. It can't be that it was a very shitty partisan bill passed by a party line vote by people who said they didn't even know what was in the bill until it was signed into law could it snowflake? No wonder you are a constituent of the Democratic Party of the Jackass; you're an idiot.
 
Um...why would soaring health care costs be identified as the top concern of the American people if the "Affordable" Care Act were lowering costs like it claimed it would rather than exploding them, exactly as conservatives (apparently the only people involved with any kind of basic economic literacy) said would happen from the beginning?

There's a lot of "duh" packed into that question, so give me a moment to unpack it for you.

First, obviously, what the top listed political concern at the moment is depends a lot on what other problems there are at the moment. In a year with a big terrorist attack, that'll jump to the top of the list. In a year when we're in a recession, or just coming out of one, that will. If hundreds of American GIs are coming home from wars in body bags, that'll be near the top of the list. Right now, and for the last five years or so, things have been going pretty well, which cuts down on the competition for top political concerns, and allows more focus on things that would be more back-burner items in times of crisis.

Second, again obviously, what topics people are focused on depends a lot on what topics the media are focusing on. Some years, the media will focus a lot on, say, mass shootings, or some other trendy topic. Often that has little to do with what's actually going on, statistically. For example, illegal immigration is down in recent years -- from about 12.2 million unauthorized immigrants in 2006 to somewhere around 10.7 million now (according to the Pew Research Center). Yet immigration has crept up the list of topics people are focusing on, because nativist scaremongers have really focused on it. If Trump were to spend his days tweeting about failing infrastructure, and hyping every deadly accident that could be attributed to poor infrastructure maintenance, the media would follow suit, and infrastructure would rise on the list of things people want Congress to focus on, without any change in the situation to justify the change in priorities. Right now, there are a lot of stories about medical costs, even though they're rising more slowly than normal, so that's risen on the list of things people want Congress to focus on.

As for the idea that Obamacare is "exploding" costs, that's untrue. Turns out healthcare spending has been rising considerably more slowly since Obamacare became law than in the years leading up to it:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/HLTHSCPCHCSA

Now that you realize that, would you care to revise your opinion?
 
I love this quote from you OPINION piece...

From the guy who gets his news from utterly discredited fake news outlets like CNN (absurd opinion dressed up as journalism). :laugh:

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"Try to imagine the blowback Republicans would have received if they'd passed a massive tax cut bill, and afterward polls showed that the public's top complaint was that taxes were too high. Republicans would never live it down."

Fact: They did pass a massive tax cut bill. It lined the pockets of corporations and the wealthy and fucked the middle class. Blowback? Republicans took it in the shorts on the midterms.

Your boys fucked up on the unending repeal attempts rather than try to improve the ACA. So, whiny little turd, fuck you and your feckless Republican Congress. Now, the adults are in charge of the pursestrings.

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Correcting Lie #1:

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Correcting Lie #2: Democrats had to openly lie, cheat, and steal their way into the embarrassingly horrible mid-term gains they did manage to eek out. "Took it in the shorts?" Lay down the crack pipe, easily misinformed CNN viewer.

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Correcting Lie #3: Not repealing every part of Obama's illegal, economy-killing health care train wreck is the only way Republicans "fucked up" regarding Obamacare.

Correcting Lie #4: Everything the House does must go through the Republican-controlled Senate, genius. :laugh:

Take your Midol and try a little fact-checking before discrediting yourself like this (if that's even possible at this point).
 
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https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...th-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-start

I'm open to a discussion on the issue which will include all the ifs, ands, or buts, including waiting lines. But I'm going to insist on appropriate behaviour on your part.

I really grow weary of idiots posting left leaning blogs to support their asinine notions about how affordable Government controlled healthcare is. These are agenda driven blogs whose primary goal is to turn our healthcare system into a failed costly mess like Europe, Canada and the UK.

Countries where Universal care is Government driven are watching their tax burden and budgets driven to the brink for cost containment. Their nations have some of the highest tax burdens that is unsustainable and they manage costs by LIMITING care. You cannot tell a doctor he can only make $85K per year when he knows he can come to the US and make 3 times that much. If you like long wait times, resulting from these limits, then you are going to LOVE universal care. Lastly, specialization is nearly non-existent. As a result, if you want complex surgery like bypass or hip replacements, you're going to wait a very long time to get in to see the surgeon. I some cases, perhaps dying before you get the operation.

As I have said time and time again; show me evidence where the Government manages anything effectively.

The real difference between the American health care system and systems abroad is pricing.

Specialists, nurses and primary care doctors all earn significantly more in the U.S. compared to other countries. General physicians in America made an average of $218,173 in 2016, the report notes, which was double the average of generalists in the other countries, where pay ranged from $86,607 in Sweden to $154,126 in Germany.

Administrative costs, meanwhile, accounted for 8 percent of total national health expenditures in the U.S. For the other countries, they ranged from 1 percent to 3 percent. Health care professionals in America also reported a higher level of "administrative burden." A survey showed that a significant portion of doctors call the time they lose to issues surrounding insurance claims and reporting clinical data a major problem.

As for the drug market, the U.S. spent $1,443 per capita on pharmaceuticals. The average pharmaceutical spending of all 11 countries came to $749 per capita. Switzerland followed closest behind the U.S. at $939.


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One of the more notable findings in this report is that, at least in some areas, the quality of health care in the U.S. fared comparably to other countries. Long wait times for treatment, for example, are not as much of an issue for Americans as they are elsewhere. In treating heart attacks and strokes, the U.S. actually had the best record of any country.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/the-real-reason-medical-care-costs-so-much-more-in-the-us.html
 
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So you're going to run away now that you've been shown that Canada's and the rest of the world's health care costs about half of the US cost per capita? Oh well, I like to give outspoken assholes a chance to perform at least.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. See above asshat.
 
Running away is what Truth Rejector does best.

That and his infantile gifs and memes.

You just can't stop lying and crying like a little bitch can you snowflake? And then you wonder why no one can take your shtick seriously and post GIFs that mock your stupidity.
 
Every single thing we were told about Obama's illegal, trillion-dollar health care takeover was a lie.

On Health Costs, ObamaCare Was A Massive Failure



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Obama never said it would reduce costs overall...he said it would stem the tide of rising costs so that they grow at a lower rate.

He did lower the out-of-pocket costs for many families because they qualify for subsidies.

If you want to actually lower health care costs, you have to get rid of private insurance companies first, and then you have to let the single payer bargain for cheaper drug costs.
 
Let me help conclude this clusterfuk of a conversation. Big money insurance companies will fight to the death to keep their profits. That means they will stop short of no dirty tricks to rip off the American people. Give up promoting the US health care system because YOU'RE ALL FOOLING YOURSELVES WHILE YOU TAKE IT DEEP UP YOUR ASSES.

Dear Kanukistanian; BIG money insurance companies LOVE dumbass ideas like Obamacare and Government managed healthcare. They PROFIT enormously from it.

I'm a Canadian and when you're ready to learn, just let me know!

That explains a lot. So, you must love paying more for just about EVERYTHING, paying higher taxes and waiting long amounts of time for care. You're probably one of those dupes who, when asked why you don't complain about waiting a year for a hip replacement, say something to the effect that someone else needed it more than you do.

STFU, seriously. The last thing America needs to be is a failed Fascist like nation like everyone else. What Province do you live in snowflake?
 
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Two of my Canadian friends received excellent cancer care. I’m sorry l, I don’t believe this representation.

One of my Canadian friends was nearly crippled waiting a year for a hip replacement. GREAT deal that Canadian system. Did you ask how much they have to pay for other treatments their FREE system doesn't pay for? How about heart bypass surgery? How great is that to wait 6 to 12 months for?

By the way, it is cheaper to buy gas in the US than it is in a low population, massive oil exporting nation like Canada. Why is that? Just about EVERYTHING costs more there. Why do you think that is?

In Ontario, you can't even use weed killer on your lawn. You have to mow dandelions. :laugh:
 
Dear Kanukistanian; BIG money insurance companies LOVE dumbass ideas like Obamacare and Government managed healthcare. They PROFIT enormously from it.



That explains a lot. Do you must love paying more for just about EVERYTHING, paying higher taxes and waiting long amounts of time for care. You're probably one of those dupes who, when asked why you don't complain about waiting a year for a hip replacement, say something to the effect that someone else needed more than you.

STFU, seriously. The last thing American needs to be is a failed Fascist like nation like everyone else. What Province do you live in snowflake?

I've given you a link that proved my point on cost. If you can't at least begin by accepting that then I'm wasting my time with you and there's no need for me to get into all the 'if's, 'ands', or 'buts', you will raise. About all I will say or need to say is that ours is rated as better than the US system. Have a nice day.
 
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