Polling Shows That On Health Costs, ObamaCare Was A Massive Failure

[zappasguitar]

Try thinking, little one. The issue raised was whether Obamacare was a failure on health costs. Now, if you define success or failure by where health costs rank in a poll of political priorities (what the idiotic article linked in the top post did), Obamacare would be a failure. But, obviously, that's a stupid way to define success or failure.

Likewise, if you define success or failure of a cost-control mechanism in terms of whether the cost falls, then that, too, would define Obamacare as a failure. But, again, that would be a stupid way to define it.

Presumably you have no experience in the business world, but if you did, you'd understand that. I do financial analysis for a living. It's rare for a business to define the success of a cost-control measure in terms of an absolute decline in the cost, as opposed to a desirable move in the rate of change. For example, if a business's payroll cost has been rising 3% per year and changes result in it rising 1% per year thereafter, that is generally going to be seen as a success. It's understood that if the business is growing and inflation happens, payroll costs are going to keep rising, so the realistic goal will be to control them so they're at least rising slower than before the change (and slower than competing companies are seeing), and preferably at a pace where they aren't rising in real per capita terms.

Now, I'm not claiming Obamacare succeeded when it comes to health costs. I'd need to see good data comparing the pace of cost increasing leading up to Obamacare to the pace since then, to take a stance on that. But I can at least see what the relevant analysis would entail, and it's not asking people where healthcare costs rank in their political priorities.

Despite his requests, he doesn't really care.

You take the time to explain it to him, yet he won't bother to read any of it. He'll just respond with more name calling and his typical infantile gifs and memes.

 

[zappasguitar]

This is an outright lie; what data do you have that suggests that universal health care plans are better and cheaper other than the propaganda we constantly see from vested interests.

Canada's program sucks. Ask anyone who has dealt with it. It is cheaper to drive down to the US from border cities and buy products than in their own country thanks to their high taxation.

The idea that Government can manage anything this size effectively and better is the talking point of idiots who have forgotten all history.

More Truth Rejector ignorance.

Ask any Canadian and the VAST MAJORITY will say Canada's healthcare system works wonderfully.

 

[zappasguitar]

Does that make you wanna cry snowflake? It illustrates you inability to have an honest, intelligent and coherent debate. I am still waiting for you to prove your claims. Yet all we get is more lies and whining like a little bitch.

I laugh long and loud whenever you post one of your infantile gifs because every time you do it means you've run out of intelligent things to say and I've got you flummoxed once again.

 

[CFM]

I laugh long and loud whenever you post one of your infantile gifs because every time you do it means you've run out of intelligent things to say and I've got you flummoxed once again.

He's know your dumbass can't read but on the level of the average black. That's about the 1st, maybe 2nd, grade.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

It's hard to take this level of glaring ignorance seriously. So, are you saying that if we removed all profit motives, we would have the incredible life sustaining drugs and machines we have today?

It is apparent that liberals who erupt with such emotional nonsense have learned nothing from history or in school.....NADA.

Sezzz fritzy the heine

 

[zappasguitar]

He's know your dumbass can't read but on the level of the average black. That's about the 1st, maybe 2nd, grade.

I'm sorry, I don't speak Racist White Trash Gibberish.

Get one of your buddies with a 3rd grade education to rewrite that comment so people who speak ENGLISH can understand it, then get back to me, okay?

 

[Althea]

Obama Care costs are what they are thanks to insurance company greed and continued GOP sabotage of the ACA.

Correct. ACA never existed as planned. If it did, then we'd see a marked reduction in cancer and other issues that are cured/prevented with early diagnosis. I'm sure the numbers are improved, just as unwanted births were at a decades low before trump took office.

But...House Republicans de funded two key aspects of the law, which drove premium costs higher. Otherwise, it would be even more successful than it already is. We can only wonder what would have been, 4 years into the law.

 

[CFM]

I'm sorry, I don't speak Racist White Trash Gibberish.

Get one of your buddies with a 3rd grade education to rewrite that comment so people who speak ENGLISH can understand it, then get back to me, okay?

That's why it was written in Niggerese, so you could understand. It appears that's too high of a level for you.

 

[montgomery]

There are contrary arguments that suggest these huge insurance companies promoted it. After all, they are making more money than ever are they not?



Let's see the source of this lie. Of course, one also must ignore the cost of waiting a year for hip replacements or bypass surgery. Or the added costs to circumvent the cumbersome provincial clinics.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...th-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-start

I'm open to a discussion on the issue which will include all the ifs, ands, or buts, including waiting lines. But I'm going to insist on appropriate behaviour on your part.

 

[montgomery]

Try thinking, little one. The issue raised was whether Obamacare was a failure on health costs. Now, if you define success or failure by where health costs rank in a poll of political priorities (what the idiotic article linked in the top post did), Obamacare would be a failure. But, obviously, that's a stupid way to define success or failure.

Likewise, if you define success or failure of a cost-control mechanism in terms of whether the cost falls, then that, too, would define Obamacare as a failure. But, again, that would be a stupid way to define it.

Presumably you have no experience in the business world, but if you did, you'd understand that. I do financial analysis for a living. It's rare for a business to define the success of a cost-control measure in terms of an absolute decline in the cost, as opposed to a desirable move in the rate of change. For example, if a business's payroll cost has been rising 3% per year and changes result in it rising 1% per year thereafter, that is generally going to be seen as a success. It's understood that if the business is growing and inflation happens, payroll costs are going to keep rising, so the realistic goal will be to control them so they're at least rising slower than before the change (and slower than competing companies are seeing), and preferably at a pace where they aren't rising in real per capita terms.

Now, I'm not claiming Obamacare succeeded when it comes to health costs. I'd need to see good data comparing the pace of cost increasing leading up to Obamacare to the pace since then, to take a stance on that. But I can at least see what the relevant analysis would entail, and it's not asking people where healthcare costs rank in their political priorities.

You must get a fair amount of pleasure over their screeching and screaming of 'is not, is not' etc., when you obviously know that the equivalent of Obamacare is coming eventually! Maybe without Obama's name attached but what does it matter? Everyone will know it was Obama who broke down the barriers.

 

[countryboy]

Every single thing we were told about Obama's illegal, trillion-dollar health care takeover was a lie.

On Health Costs, ObamaCare Was A Massive Failure

It was specifically designed to be a failure. In order to pave the way for Single Payer.

 

[montgomery]

There are contrary arguments that suggest these huge insurance companies promoted it. After all, they are making more money than ever are they not?



Let's see the source of this lie. Of course, one also must ignore the cost of waiting a year for hip replacements or bypass surgery. Or the added costs to circumvent the cumbersome provincial clinics.

So you're going to run away now that you've been shown that Canada's and the rest of the world's health care costs about half of the US cost per capita? Oh well, I like to give outspoken assholes a chance to perform at least.

 

[artichoke]

Actually, my greatest fear about Obamacare is getting marched in front of those Death Panels when I turn 67.

I am surprised actually that the holocaust undoubtedly being implemented by the Death Panels is not receiving more widespread news coverage by the lame stream media!

Liberals would do well to Google "Charlie Gard." Illegally putting unaccountable, un-elected left-wing bureaucrats in charge of controlling costs without being subject to judicial or administrative review (hence Obamacare's 'Independent Payment Advisory Board') is precisely how one goes about ending up with actual death panels. Rationing is at the very center of how socialist health care systems work. They can't pretend that reality away.

And the IPAB was already removed: Killing ObamaCare’s Rationing Board

 

[zappasguitar]

So you're going to run away now that you've been shown that Canada's and the rest of the world's health care costs about half of the US cost per capita? Oh well, I like to give outspoken assholes a chance to perform at least.

Running away is what Truth Rejector does best.

That and his infantile gifs and memes.

 

[artichoke]

Well that explains why the Enrollments continue to go up ...


NEXT!

Might want to look things up before humiliating and discrediting yourself like this.

ObamaCare enrollment down compared to last year

"NEXT!" LMAO

 

[montgomery]

Let me help conclude this clusterfuk of a conversation. Big money insurance companies will fight to the death to keep their profits. That means they will stop short of no dirty tricks to rip off the American people. Give up promoting the US health care system because YOU'RE ALL FOOLING YOURSELVES WHILE YOU TAKE IT DEEP UP YOUR ASSES.

I'm a Canadian and when you're ready to learn, just let me know!

 

[artichoke]

Obama Care costs are what they are thanks to insurance company greed and continued GOP sabotage of the ACA.

You are aware that just saying things doesn't make them true, right? They actually need to match something in reality.

Step 1: Impose an illegal, trillion-dollar health care takeover designed to obliterate insurance companies and leave nothing standing but the nanny state to pick up the pieces.

Step 2: When the train wreck you created begins, blame everything on "not enough government."

Hence:

-you couldn't keep your doctor (happened before the GOP took over)
-skyrocketing costs (happened before the GOP took over)
-you couldn't keep your insurance (happened before the GOP took over)
-illegal immigrants got taxpayer-funded Obamacare coverage, just as conservatives were crucified for warning against (happened before the GOP took over)
-astronomical explosion of debt (happened before the GOP took over)
-Obamacare really did fund abortions, contrary to everything we were told (happened before the GOP took over)

...and on, and on.

Please stop lying about this.

 

[Bourbon]

Might want to look things up before humiliating and discrediting yourself like this.

ObamaCare enrollment down compared to last year

"NEXT!" LMAO

Good thing Enrollment just started ...

 

[artichoke]

Exactly, medicine for profit! It’s immoral.

Or...it's how we avoid disasters like 6-month waits to even BEGIN critical life-saving cancer treatments (like Britain, the kind of time-disproven system you advocate to illegally implement here). And it's how we became the place all the socialists, like Canada's Belinda Stronach, flee to when they get breast cancer and the incredibly shitty socialist system they forced on everyone else in their own countries can't save their lives.

Having a system that works and that has actual choice for consumers (i.e., a free market system) is more moral, you easily-manipulated automaton.

 

[Phantasmal]

Or...it's how we avoid disasters like 6-month waits to even BEGIN critical life-saving cancer treatments (like Britain, the kind of time-disproven system you advocate to illegally implement here). And it's how we became the place all the socialists, like Canada's Belinda Stronach, flee to when they get breast cancer and the incredibly shitty socialist system they forced on everyone else in their own countries can't save their lives.

Having a system that works and that has actual choice for consumers (i.e., a free market system) is more moral, you easily-manipulated automaton.

Two of my Canadian friends received excellent cancer care. I’m sorry l, I don’t believe this representation.