poll:who was best Pres in your lifetime

[Superfreak]

Bush Jr was responsible for the 2008 mortgage crisis and economic disaster.

Just look at the timeline:

2003: Bush Jr signs the American Dream Downpayment Act: https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031216-9.html

2004: The housing bubble starts. Millions of low income people buy homes they can't afford because Bush Jr pressured the banks to give them no-downpayment loans.

2007: Millions of low-income homeowners default (walk away) on their mortgages, putting pressure on banks holding the Lons.

2008: The crisis snowballs and the economy tanks.

Bush Jr: "Last year I set a goal to add 5.5 million new minority homeowners in America by the end of the decade. That is an attainable goal; that is an essential goal. And we're making progress toward that goal. In the past 18 months, more than 1 million minority families have become homeowners. (Applause.) And there's more that we can do to achieve the goal. The law I sign today will help us build on this progress in a very practical way.
Many people are able to afford a monthly mortgage payment, but are unable to make the down payment. So this legislation will authorize $200 million per year in down payment assistance to at least 40,000 low-income families. These funds will help American families achieve their goals, and at the same time, strengthen our communities."

The radicalized right wing nut jobs have their script and talking points to try to deflect the blame to past presidents like Carter and Clinton but they fall on deaf ears.
The evidence is overwhelming. Bush Jr caused the 2008 mortgage crisis and economic disaster.
Nothing can change that fact. It's written in the history books and 100 years from now, everybody will be looking back at this time and realize Bush Jr was maybe the WORST PRESIDENT of all time (but, of course, that fucking moron in the White House will have Bush Jr beat by the time he's finished).

you forget the repeal of Glass Steagall in 1999. That is what started the housing crisis. That and Clinton and Bush chanting 'more home owners than ever before!'

 

[cawacko]

Which is why the economy continued to boom for the next twelve years. Such a disaster!

It's interesting this argument in hindsight that Russia's economic failure was fait a compli because it definitely wasn't the attitude at the time

 

[LV426]

There was no lie from Conservatives, those were all from Obama and the architects of Obamacare. We didn't get to keep our doctors; we aren't more healthy because of Obamacare; costs have skyrocketed; it didn't reduce the deficit and we didn't get to keep our existing plans.

1. Yes, Conservatives lied about Obamacare. In fact, their lie about Obamacare was 2010's "Lie of the Year"

2. You did get to keep your doctor so long as you enrolled in a health insurance plan your doctor accepted. So your inability to use the exchanges or act like an adult responsible for your health care isn't a fault of Obama's, it's a fault of yours.

3. How are we less healthy because of Obamacare? Show facts and cite sources for this wild claim.

4. Costs grew at a slower rate post-ACA than pre-ACA. But costs this fall are going to be the highest in years because of your Russia Tax Cut.

5. You could keep your plan if your plan met the qualifications. You say you "liked" your health care plan before...OK, what was it you liked about it? Because I suspect you only liked it because of the cost, not because it denied pre-existing conditions, and/or had lifetime caps. So what was it about your old health care plan you actually liked? Will you even say? No, because you're talking out of your ass.

 

[Truth Detector]

Trump is a disaster and his policies have been a disaster.

That is an out and out lie and he hasn't even been in office for two years. What is it about you leftists and your prolific lying?

So far, wages have declined since the Russia Tax Cut, which runs in contradiction to the promises of $4000 pay increases for workers that Trump made.

Those are more lies; I see that you live in an alternate universe bereft of facts and the truth.

U.S. adds 213,000 jobs in June; unemployment edges up as more people seek work

U.S. employers kept up a brisk hiring pace in June by adding 213,000 jobs, a sign of confidence in the economy

The growing optimism that people can find work suggested that the 9-year-old U.S. economic expansion — the second-longest on record — has the momentum to keep chugging along

The June jobs data showed an economy that may be on the cusp of producing stronger pay growth

Average hourly pay was up 2.7% in June from 12 months earlier

many employers have said they're feeling pressure to raise wages

A widespread availability of jobs and the prospect of higher wages at other employers made it harder to retain workers, she said.

Manufacturers added 36,000 jobs last month. The education and health sector added 54,000.

Over the past three months, the economy has produced a robust average monthly job gain of 211,000.

Economists are forecasting that economic growth accelerated to an annual pace of roughly 4% during the April-through-June quarter, about double the previous quarter's pace.

Housing starts have climbed 11% so far this year.

Retail sales jumped a strong 0.8% in May in a sign that consumers feel secure enough to spend.

Automakers added 12,000 jobs in June.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-jobs-report-20180706-story.html#

 

[Truth Detector]

Clinton didn't work with Republicans. He shut down the government and Republicans capitulated.

Good lord; you need to stop the lying.

 

[LV426]

Obama lying about Premium Costs

What Obama actually said was that with the subsidies, your premium costs would go down. Premium costs wouldn't go down on their own, they'd go down for the people enrolling in them because of the subsidies.

And there was a very famous case of a Conservative pig-lady who said that her health care costs went up because of Obamacare, when they actually went down, according to her insurer. Her name was Julie Boonstra. And she was a liar and paid stooge for the Koch brothers who refused to accept what her insurance company was telling her. Why? Because she is a fat, entitled Conservative liar who hated Obama because his election was a repudiation of the Bush policies you all supported and defended, that the people ultimately rejected.

 

[LV426]

Link please

Check the thread; I already linked to it.

 

[Superfreak]

It's interesting this argument in hindsight that Russia's economic failure was fait a compli because it definitely wasn't the attitude at the time

I think it was indeed inevitable that they fall (as long as we kept oil artificially low) But whether they would have lasted another 5 years or another 20 is debatable. The Pope, Thatcher, Reagan and finally the Polish people brought down the USSR faster than it otherwise would have happened. Reagan recognizing a new leader in Gorbachev and the opportunity it presented was a huge part of it.

 

[LV426]

Which is why the economy continued to boom for the next twelve years. Such a disaster!

The economy didn't boom, you friggin moron.

There was a recession in 1990.

There was the S&L crisis which led to the largest taxpayer-funded bailout of all time (before TARP).

 

[Superfreak]

Check the thread; I already linked to it.

you could have cut and paste it in the time it took to type the above. I will assume you are incapable of providing the evidence again or a link to the post number.

 

[Truth Detector]

Government is not a business.

It runs much like a very large corporation. I am not surprised you don't know this because it is evident you don't know much of anything.

Thinking it is is why Trump just exploded the deficit back to $1T.

Liberals who supported Obama's ten trillion in deficit spending should not be whining about anyone else spending.

By the way, I thought you hated trillion-dollar deficits? Isn't that why you stapled teabags to your face 9 years ago?

I do; what makes you think I like them. But unlike you, I am intelligent and informed and know that CBO projections are ALWAYS wrong and judging a presidency in its its first year moronic.

 

[LV426]

The Fed and the raising of rates (and proposed rate hikes) have nothing to do with it? Wow, that's an interesting take.

Nope. Not a thing. The reason the DJIA is flat is because the Russia Tax Cut failed to deliver on the promises you all made of it.

 

[LV426]

you forget the repeal of Glass Steagall in 1999. That is what started the housing crisis. That and Clinton and Bush chanting 'more home owners than ever before!'

No it didn't.

What started the housing crisis was the lowering of lending standards for subprime loans in 2004.

 

[Truth Detector]

Universal health care is what all our allies have, and it seems to work just fine for them.

It doesn't work fine for them and if you were informed and honest, you would know this. It is costly, creates shortages in care and citizens die as a result of cost controls and policies that limit specializing.

They don't have 29,000 people dying every year for lack of health care, nor do they have nearly 700,000 people going bankrupt from medical bills every year either. Nor do they have 25 million people with no health care coverage at all. But we do.

No one in this country dies due to a lack of healthcare; that is a moronic and dishonest lie. Millions die in Socialist countries waiting for operations that are readily available here.

Socialist countries have less liberties, less productivity, massive excessive taxation and their governments are heading for bankruptcy as a result. More Americans own homes here even at the lower income spectrum than any other country on the planet.

 

[Superfreak]

The economy didn't boom, you friggin moron.

There was a recession from 1992-3.

There was the S&L crisis which led to the largest taxpayer-funded bailout of all time (before TARP).

Yes, there was a very mild recession in late 1990 early 1991, but the economy most certainly boomed over those 12 years. two quarters of negative GDP (-3.4/-1.9) in a 12 year period. Yeah... that is booming.

 

[LV426]

That is an out and out lie and he hasn't even been in office for two years. What is it about you leftists and your prolific lying?

Since the Russia Tax Cut:

• GDP growth slowed by 0.9% from 2.9% in Q4 2017 to 2.0% in Q1 2018
• The DJIA is flat for the year, and off for Q2
• Workers' wages have declined
• The deficit is back to $1T
• Slowest pace of job creation in 8 years
• 4 million people lost health insurance
• Skyrocketing insurance premiums this Open Enrollment, according to insurance companies
• Companies still outsourcing jobs (BMW, Harley), not bringing jobs "back"

#winning?

 

[Joe Capitalist]

you forget the repeal of Glass Steagall in 1999. That is what started the housing crisis. That and Clinton and Bush chanting 'more home owners than ever before!'

This is what radicalized right wing nut jobs like yourself love to parrot but it doesn't hold water. If it were true, we would've seen the effect soon after, not eight years later.
Did you bother to read my Bush Jr quotes about his American Dream Downpayment Act? OK, I'll post it again and ask you this: Do you think Bush Jr deserves any amount of blame for the 2008 mortgage crisis and economic collapse?

2003: Bush Jr signs the American Dream Downpayment Act: https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archi...0031216-9.html

2004: The housing bubble starts. Millions of low income people buy homes they can't afford because Bush Jr pressured the banks to give them no-downpayment loans.

2007: Millions of low-income homeowners default (walk away) on their mortgages, putting pressure on banks holding the Lons.

2008: The crisis snowballs and the economy tanks.

Bush Jr: "Last year I set a goal to add 5.5 million new minority homeowners in America by the end of the decade. That is an attainable goal; that is an essential goal. And we're making progress toward that goal. In the past 18 months, more than 1 million minority families have become homeowners. (Applause.) And there's more that we can do to achieve the goal. The law I sign today will help us build on this progress in a very practical way.
Many people are able to afford a monthly mortgage payment, but are unable to make the down payment. So this legislation will authorize $200 million per year in down payment assistance to at least 40,000 low-income families. These funds will help American families achieve their goals, and at the same time, strengthen our communities."

Read it and weep: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
From his earliest days in office, Mr. Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own home with his conviction that markets do best when let alone.

He pushed hard to expand homeownership, especially among minorities, an initiative that dovetailed with his ambition to expand the Republican tent — and with the business interests of some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards.

As early as 2006, top advisers to Mr. Bush dismissed warnings from people inside and outside the White House that housing prices were inflated and that a foreclosure crisis was looming. And when the economy deteriorated, Mr. Bush and his team misdiagnosed the reasons and scope of the downturn; as recently as February, for example, Mr. Bush was still calling it a “rough patch.”

The result was a series of piecemeal policy prescriptions that lagged behind the escalating crisis.

“There is no question we did not recognize the severity of the problems,” said Al Hubbard, Mr. Bush’s former chief economics adviser, who left the White House in December 2007. “Had we, we would have attacked them.”

Looking back, Keith B. Hennessey, Mr. Bush’s current chief economics adviser, says he and his colleagues did the best they could “with the information we had at the time.” But Mr. Hennessey did say he regretted that the administration did not pay more heed to the dangers of easy lending practices. And both Mr. Paulson and his predecessor, John W. Snow, say the housing push went too far.

“The Bush administration took a lot of pride that homeownership had reached historic highs,” Mr. Snow said in an interview. “But what we forgot in the process was that it has to be done in the context of people being able to afford their house. We now realize there was a high cost.”

 

[Truth Detector]

Yes, Obamacare was always a stepping stone to single payer. Single payer is the natural progression for health care because it doesn't exclude anyone,

I am glad you admit that much; so why don't Democrats and the DNC run on this in their platform instead of lying about it?

and doctors can still remain privately employed.

That is a lie; universal will create conditions making it nearly impossible for private practices to survive.

 

[Superfreak]

Nope. Not a thing. The reason the DJIA is flat is because the Russia Tax Cut failed to deliver on the promises you all made of it.

Pure nonsense. The biggest driver of the market this year has been the tariff war talks/fears.

Take a look at what small companies have done this year. They are up over 10% this year. They are the biggest benefactors of the tax cut.

Not sure why you keep referring to it as a Russia tax cut. Is that your moronic way of pretending the Russians are in control?

 

[Truth Detector]

Trump lost the popular vote.

Another meaningless statement; you seem to be quite full of them.