There's no such thing as overcrowding. The problem is too many committing crimes and expecting nothing to be done to them.
OUR PRISONS ARE OVERCROWDED!
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There's no such thing as overcrowding. The problem is too many committing crimes and expecting nothing to be done to them.
Are you saying that because it was a non violent offender it means it wasn't really a crime? A bank robber that goes into a bank, hands the teller a note, and walks out without "using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something" is a non-violent offender by definition. Should we release those criminals?
He said release non-violent offenders. A bank robber that goes into a bank, hands the teller a note, and walks out without "using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something" is a non-violent offender by definition. Should we release those criminals?
cawacko
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Not all crimes have to require jail time. And you'd have to ask him which non violent crimes he is referring to. But there are people in prisons for drug crimes that were non violent and we're seeing even conservative governors letting people go because the cost of housing so many prisoners is overwhelming state budgets.
Lightbringer
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To be fair there is a point to be made here except he's too stupid to make it. Profit and corporation aren't the same thing. My local police force makes money every year. They're paid by the feds and in return they do A LOT of DEA assistance work. They also spend a lot of time writing traffic tickets...and busting parties where minors are drinking and drugging and then putting all of them on probation. You don't have to a corporate police force a la "Robo-Cop" to be profitable.
Lightbringer
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USFREEDOM911
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Oh, hi
Look, this is the situation and how to fix it.
Non violent, less than one year, jail no prison.
Prisons need to beef up the rehab part.
With no rehab, you will see the same people come through the system over and over.
The inmates with the lowest chance for recidivism, are life term inmates that must get approved by a parole board. Maybe it is about expanding the parole, vs anything else.
Non violent, less than one year, jail no prison.
Prisons need to beef up the rehab part.
With no rehab, you will see the same people come through the system over and over.
The inmates with the lowest chance for recidivism, are life term inmates that must get approved by a parole board. Maybe it is about expanding the parole, vs anything else.
USFREEDOM911
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Why do you think they want to be rehabbed and how many times should they be able to avail themselves of this free opportunity?
It's been shown that people don't change their behavior, until what they're receiving from their behavior becomes unbearable and even then it's not enough to convince someone to change.
One thing that most people are avoiding addressing, is where someone with drug charges and violent behavior charges are usually plea bargained down to the guilty on the drug charges.
Should we now do away with plea bargains; because I'm for that.
No need to ask him. Since no distinction was made, it includes all non violent crimes.
USFREEDOM911
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'Three Strikes' Sentencing Laws
Under the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, the "Three Strikes" statute provides for mandatory life imprisonment if a convicted felon: (1) has been convicted in federal court of a "serious violent felony"; and (2) has two or more previous convictions in federal or state courts, at least one of which is a "serious violent felony" (the other offense may be a serious drug offense). The sentencing enhancements in this law can have a significant impact on a criminal defendant. Read on to learn more about the law and how it works.
What Is A Serious Violent Felony?
The statute defines a serious violent felony to include:
1 - Murder;
2 - Manslaughter;
3 - Sex offenses;
4 - Kidnapping;
5 - Robbery; and
6 - Any offense punishable by 10 years or more which includes an element of the use of force or involves a significant risk of force
The statue also specifically excludes certain felonies such as unarmed robbery offenses or arsons which posed no threat to human life. However, in those cases, the burden is on the defendant to show that the crimes did not involve threats to use a dangerous weapon and that no threat of death or bodily injury was involved. In other words, these can count as strikes unless a defendant proves otherwise.
So can someone show me where someone is in Prison, for "smoking a joint"?
Under the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, the "Three Strikes" statute provides for mandatory life imprisonment if a convicted felon: (1) has been convicted in federal court of a "serious violent felony"; and (2) has two or more previous convictions in federal or state courts, at least one of which is a "serious violent felony" (the other offense may be a serious drug offense). The sentencing enhancements in this law can have a significant impact on a criminal defendant. Read on to learn more about the law and how it works.
What Is A Serious Violent Felony?
The statute defines a serious violent felony to include:
1 - Murder;
2 - Manslaughter;
3 - Sex offenses;
4 - Kidnapping;
5 - Robbery; and
6 - Any offense punishable by 10 years or more which includes an element of the use of force or involves a significant risk of force
The statue also specifically excludes certain felonies such as unarmed robbery offenses or arsons which posed no threat to human life. However, in those cases, the burden is on the defendant to show that the crimes did not involve threats to use a dangerous weapon and that no threat of death or bodily injury was involved. In other words, these can count as strikes unless a defendant proves otherwise.
So can someone show me where someone is in Prison, for "smoking a joint"?
The only way rehab works is for the one needing it to want it.
USFREEDOM911
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All these that promote rehab seem to think that simply offering it means it will work. It's like the three strikes rule. They argue against it but fail to acknowledge that it's not the ONE strike rule. For it to apply, someone has shown they don't want to correct their actions.
USFREEDOM911
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I have a friend who's daughter is addicted to opiates (not heroin) and him and his wife have tried everything to try and convince her to go to rehab.
Her daughter's father has full custody of her and my friend and his wife ended up adopting her son.
They've tried to provide her with jobs (they own their own business), have provided her with housing, and any number of attempts to help her.
She has stolen from them and refuses to seek or accept help.
I hated seeing the pain on their faces, every time she "kicked" them and now they've pretty much written her out of them helping her.
She's their daughter, they still keep track of her, and heaven help anyone who hurts her; but no more giving anything.
As bad as it is, it's the best action they can take.