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exactly....when you read the treaty, it is clear waterboarding likely fits the definition of torture.
i don't why dixie is so adamant he is right.
OPINION:Waterboarding is Not Unconstitutional
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exactly....when you read the treaty, it is clear waterboarding likely fits the definition of torture.
i don't why dixie is so adamant he is right.
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how you can you, without a doubt, classify it as torture? the process used has not been decidedly ruled as torture. i believe likely is, but you are being just like dixie in stating as fact, that it is torture.
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PSSST the DOD might interpret your idea diferently DIX........
Interesting read from http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm2-22-3.pdf
5-74. All captured or detained personnel, regardless of status, shall be treated humanely, and in accordance with the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 and DOD Directive 2310.1E, “Department of Defense Detainee Program,” and no person in the custody or under the control of DOD, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment, in accordance with and as defined in US law. (FOR DIXIE) All intelligence interrogations, debriefings, or tactical questioning to gainintelligence from captured or detained personnel shall be conducted in accordance with applicable law and policy. Applicable law and policy include US law; the law of war; relevant international law; relevant directives including DOD Directive 3115.09, “DOD Intelligence Interrogations,Detainee Debriefings, and Tactical Questioning”; DOD Directive 2310.1E,
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“The Department of Defense Detainee Program”; DOD instructions; and military execute orders including FRAGOs. Use of torture is not only illegal but also it is a poor technique that yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say what he thinks the HUMINT collector wants to hear. Use of torture can also have many possible negative consequences at national and international levels.
Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment Prohibited
All prisoners and detainees, regardless of status, will be treated humanely. Cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment is prohibited. The Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 defines “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment” as the cruel unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. This definition refers to an extensive body of law developed by the courts of the United States to determine when, under various circumstances, treatment of individuals would be inconsistent with American constitutional standards related to concepts of dignity, civilization, humanity, decency and fundamental fairness. All DOD procedures for treatment of prisoners and detainees have been reviewed and are consistent with these standards, as well as our obligations under international law as interpreted by the United States.1
Questions about applications not resolved in the field by reference to DOD publications, must be forwarded to higher headquarters for legal review and specific approval by the appropriate authority before application.
The following actions will not be approved and cannot be condoned in any circumstances: forcing an individual to perform or simulate sexual acts or to pose in a sexual manner; exposing an individual to outrageously lewd and sexually provocative behavior; intentionally damaging or destroying an individual’s religious articles.
1 Nothing in this enclosure should be understood to affect the U.S. obligations under the law of war.
5-75. If used in conjunction with intelligence interrogations, prohibited actions include, but are not limited to—
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Forcing the detainee to be naked, perform sexual acts, or pose in a sexual manner.
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Placing hoods or sacks over the head of a detainee; using duct tape over the eyes.
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“Waterboarding.”•
Using military working dogs.
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Inducing hypothermia or heat injury.
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Conducting mock executions.
• Depriving the detainee of necessary food, water, or medical care.
OH AND THIS RESOURCE CAN BE USED FOR THE " WE USE THIS ON OUR OWN SOLDIERS FOR TRAINING" CROWD(i.e the ICEDANCER)
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PSSST the DOD might interpret your idea diferently DIX........
Well certainly they do NOW... they didn't in 2002! This is amazing, you want to use a finding from 2005 to prove something from 2002?
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Because I'm not a fucking idiot like you, who has to suck liberal ass to get a sense of adoration from them.
All of you who attempt to oppose water-boarding on the Geneva Convention, are intellectual idiots at best and hypocrites at worst, if you likewise do not condemn the killing of bin Laden on the same grounds.
The case of bin Laden being illegal
The case of bin Laden being illegal
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I've been trying to think of some good analogies, but their position is so insane, there aren't any!
It's like crediting Nixon for putting man on the moon, and in the same breath, condemning NASA and the Apollo missions as a wasteful and useless government program! It was Kennedy's idea, Nixon just happened to be occupying the White House when it was accomplished, and without NASA and Apollo, it never would have happened!
They aren't talking about the Geneva Convention. That is much of the point here. There is an entirely different Treaty signed and promoted later than the Geneva Convention specifically about torture.
The continued attempt at equivalency here is now bordering on comical.
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There's nothing "comical" about it, moron. You want to argue that it's not okay to waterboard someone, but it's fine and dandy to shoot them in the face! That the CIA can't use approved enhanced interrogation techniques, but they can go into a sovereign country with covert-ops and assassinate somebody! One is terrible and awful and wrong, while the other is cause to rejoice! And the "terrible awful and wrong" one, is far less violent as the one you think is okay. The ONLY difference, is who's ass is sitting in the Oval Office! THAT'S IT!
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what a great reply....what an intelligent way to counter the law/treaties
yurt is a liberal or sucks liberals ass, therefore, dixie is always right and doesn't need to address facts and law
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Beg all you like... There is nothing "severely painful" about waterboarding. It causes NO "prolonged" harm, either mentally or physically!
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and you're an expert who has undergone current waterboarding?
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If you'll note, I'm not entirely happy with the killing of OBL. Not going to bitch too loud about it, but I don't like it regardless. As a matter of fact, you commented on it a day or two ago.
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I didn't say you were a liberal... you are a liberal ass licker, who likes to feel needed and wanted by liberals, because you are an idiot with little or no self-esteem. You go out of your way to go lick a liberal ass any chance you can, in the hopes said liberal will thank you or show appreciation to you, because you are a pathetic cowardly piece of shit without a spine.
You've not presented any fucking facts, you just waded in here and interjected your wrongheaded moronic opinion, which happens to be the same opinion as the liberal idiots.... that should be anyone's FIRST sign they are on the wrong side of an issue, but I think you LIKE that! I think that is EXACTLY what you want to do, because you think it makes liberals LIKE you, and you really do need to be liked by liberals, so you can feel like a useful person... you are a USEFUL IDIOT!
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Yes. I undergo waterboarding on a routine basis, we have a table in the back yard, and my grandkids strap me to it and pour water on my face regularly. I find it refreshing and relaxing after a long hard day of arguing with idiots on the internet. So kiss my fucking ass, retard!
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I'll note that virtually every supporter of your Socialist Liberal Democrat cabal, are still doing the happy dance over OBL being killed on Obama's watch.
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do you know what the word "or" means? you have called me a liberal in the past....and if you notice after the word "or" i correctly said what you claim i am now, is a liberal suck ass. you're a nutcase. anyone who doesn't agree with YOUR principles is a liberal or a liberal suck ass. it is the main point of your debate. you can't stand the fact that anyone who leans right thinks differently than you. you are the GOD of the right dixie, everything you say is HOLY SCRIPT. that is your debate tactic.
you haven't presented any facts dixie and you have ignored treaties and laws. let me repeat and make clear to you -- i don't know if the current waterboarding method is torture -- however, you flat out ignore treaties and state as fact that the current system is not torture. you are not an expert, nor have you ever undergone such treatment.
you have zero facts, all you have is opinion. period.
Billy the Great Khan
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Oh the lulz involved here.