OPINION:Waterboarding is Not Unconstitutional

I need to go pull up the quotes from OneCell and Jarhead "condemning" the Obama's decision to extend the Patriot Act, rendition, etc. You people are so fucking two-faced, it is a wonder you can even remember which face to use anymore!
 
Onceler said:
It was a combat operation, and the shooter said he was reaching for something. Why do you doubt him?

No, Dixie - try as you might, the situations are not remotely comparable. We had moral authority to go after Osama Bin Laden. Waterboarding is a different story altogether; your very strongest argument, your trump card, seems to be "we do other bad stuff, too."
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You are a hypocrite-We had less lawful authority to get bin Laden then we did to use enhanced interrogation- Your attempt to call killing bin Laden moral is pathetic given your queasiness over enhanced interrogations.
 
Dixie said:
I need to go pull up the quotes from OneCell and Jarhead "condemning" the Obama's decision to extend the Patriot Act, rendition, etc. You people are so fucking two-faced, it is a wonder you can even remember which face to use anymore!
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If it helps i'm more than happy to condemn Obama for all manner of things. :)

(i'll let you into a secret...i didn't even vote for him)
 
Ice Dancer said:
You are a hypocrite-We had less lawful authority to get bin Laden then we did to use enhanced interrogation- Your attempt to call killing bin Laden moral is pathetic given your queasiness over enhanced interrogations.
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Way to pull that out of the air. That's your opinion, and it's incredibly misguided.

OBL was behind 9/11; he made no bones about it. He also made no bones about his intent on future attacks. He was an international fugitive, criminal & mass-murderer. We have every right & moral authority to hunt such a man down, and if those hunting him down feel endangered, shoot if necessary.

Waterboarding is method of interrogation that we either choose to practice as a country, or not. If we do, I think you'd be hard-pressed to argue that it "enhances" our moral authority both on interrogation & on human rights in general.
 
Onceler said:
Way to pull that out of the air. That's your opinion, and it's incredibly misguided.

OBL was behind 9/11; he made no bones about it. He also made no bones about his intent on future attacks. He was an international fugitive, criminal & mass-murderer. We have every right & moral authority to hunt such a man down, and if those hunting him down feel endangered, shoot if necessary.

Waterboarding is method of interrogation that we either choose to practice as a country, or not. If we do, I think you'd be hard-pressed to argue that it "enhances" our moral authority both on interrogation & on human rights in general.
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First of all, how do you determine he was guilty? Did he have a trial I don't know about? Was he given a chance to defend himself in a court of law before a jury of his peers? When did our collective national morality delegate responsibility for determining guilt and innocence to liberals? When did our collective national morality delegate this responsibility to the CIA or the Navy SEALS? And HOW did he make them "feel endangered" when he was not armed? If a cop guns down a person who is unarmed and then claims he felt endangered, are liberals as understanding of that?

And let's get back to "human rights" here... are you claiming it's consistent with our stance on human rights to order hits on people residing in sovereign nations by our CIA? That's somehow better than a military tribunal or detention at Gitmo? Please explain your inconsistency... if you can?
 
Onceler said:
Way to pull that out of the air. That's your opinion, and it's incredibly misguided.

OBL was behind 9/11; he made no bones about it. He also made no bones about his intent on future attacks. He was an international fugitive, criminal & mass-murderer. We have every right & moral authority to hunt such a man down, and if those hunting him down feel endangered, shoot if necessary.

Waterboarding is method of interrogation that we either choose to practice as a country, or not. If we do, I think you'd be hard-pressed to argue that it "enhances" our moral authority both on interrogation & on human rights in general.
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I quoted the Geneva Convention a few posts back ...do you have difficulty reading? KSM WAS THE CONFESSED MASTERMIND of 9/11 what's your hypocritical point now?
 
Dixie said:
First of all, how do you determine he was guilty? Did he have a trial I don't know about? Was he given a chance to defend himself in a court of law before a jury of his peers? When did our collective national morality delegate responsibility for determining guilt and innocence to liberals? When did our collective national morality delegate this responsibility to the CIA or the Navy SEALS? And HOW did he make them "feel endangered" when he was not armed? If a cop guns down a person who is unarmed and then claims he felt endangered, are liberals as understanding of that?

And let's get back to "human rights" here... are you claiming it's consistent with our stance on human rights to order hits on people residing in sovereign nations by our CIA? That's somehow better than a military tribunal or detention at Gitmo? Please explain your inconsistency... if you can?
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We don't have trials for every combat operation we engage in. Your position, as usual, is wildly off the mark; I am talking about standard combat operations, and keeping my premise on a foundation of moral authority only.

I'd love see your evidence for "order hits on people," which you say as though it's a fact. You're really in a desperate situation here; there really is no inconsistency whatsoever between supporting the OBL operation, and opposing waterboarding. The continued comparison between the 2 is really as silly as these kinds of arguments get...
 
Onceler said:
We don't have trials for every combat operation we engage in. Your position, as usual, is wildly off the mark; I am talking about standard combat operations, and keeping my premise on a foundation of moral authority only.

I'd love see your evidence for "order hits on people," which you say as though it's a fact. You're really in a desperate situation here; there really is no inconsistency whatsoever between supporting the OBL operation, and opposing waterboarding. The continued comparison between the 2 is really as silly as these kinds of arguments get...
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According to eye-witnesses at the scene, OBL was executed. We know for a fact, he was unarmed. Combat operations? In the sovereign nation of Pakistan without their knowledge or permission? Did CONGRESS authorize this? Where is the Declaration of War? My goodness, the more you yammer, the more worms come crawling out of the can you opened.... what are you going to do?
 
Dixie said:
According to eye-witnesses at the scene, OBL was executed. We know for a fact, he was unarmed. Combat operations? In the sovereign nation of Pakistan without their knowledge or permission? Did CONGRESS authorize this? Where is the Declaration of War? My goodness, the more you yammer, the more worms come crawling out of the can you opened.... what are you going to do?
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And the more you yammer, the more your partisan colors show. Who woulda thunk that our resident patriot & terror-fighter would be on the front line protesting OBL's death as an illegal execution?
 
Onceler said:
And the more you yammer, the more your partisan colors show. Who woulda thunk that our resident patriot & terror-fighter would be on the front line protesting OBL's death as an illegal execution?
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The point he is making is that you are a hypocrite-You willfully ignore that point. The law with regards to the killing of Osama-you know that international fucking law you use against water boarding? Yeah that one- makes it clear that the mission to kill Osama was illegal. Dix and I are not against either the water boarding or the Osama mission-because we are consistent...charver is against both, making him consistent BUT YOU are a pretzel bent hypocrite!
 
Ice Dancer said:
The point he is making is that you are a hypocrite-You willfully ignore that point. The law with regards to the killing of Osama-you know that international fucking law you use against water boarding? Yeah that one- makes it clear that the mission to kill Osama was illegal. Dix and I are not against either the water boarding or the Osama mission-because we are consistent...charver is against both, making him consistent BUT YOU are a pretzel bent hypocrite!
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What international law am I using against waterboarding?
 
Is this thread still going on? Not only is it Constitutional, but the feds commit malpractice by not using waterboarding to extract information from terrorists.
 
Onceler said:
What international law am I using against waterboarding?
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That's right your positions have lacked any kind of logical foundation in facts or in law- You are the hypocrite of the just plain old stupid kind. It was adolphus who was arguing something that at least had some legal bearing~
 
Ice Dancer said:
The point he is making is that you are a hypocrite-You willfully ignore that point. The law with regards to the killing of Osama-you know that international fucking law you use against water boarding? Yeah that one- makes it clear that the mission to kill Osama was illegal. Dix and I are not against either the water boarding or the Osama mission-because we are consistent...charver is against both, making him consistent BUT YOU are a pretzel bent hypocrite!
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ONE CELL: And the more you yammer, the more your partisan colors show. Who woulda thunk that our resident patriot & terror-fighter would be on the front line protesting OBL's death as an illegal execution?

Amazing... I have not condemned the killing of any scum-sucking terrorist, under any condition or circumstance! Hell, if we had known your position on executing them, we could have taken care of the whole Gitmo problem in 2003... Bush could've just sent the SEALS down there and had target practice for a day, and the problem is solved, right?Shoot them all in the head and be done with it... no tribunal, no trial, no hearing... just mass execution of terror cockroaches... If we had only realized you were perfectly okay with that!!
 
Ice Dancer said:
That's right your positions have lacked any kind of logical foundation in facts or in law- You are the hypocrite of the just plain old stupid kind. It was adolphus who was arguing something that at least had some legal bearing~
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I'm not a hypocrite; I just have standards.

I have made no pretense out of the fact that I am arguing based on moral authority alone. America shouldn't torture, or assassinate. I'm clear on that.

You & Dix think we should do both, or whatever else it takes. I'm sure the founding fathers would be proud.
 
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