OPINION:Waterboarding is Not Unconstitutional

[christiefan915]

Actually, the OP linked story is by a LIBERAL! It is a LIBERAL making the argument that waterboarding is not unconstitutional, not me or ID!

Where did you get the idea that a liberal wrote the article? Your groupie doesn't even cite the correct author, who is William A. Levinson, not some person named "Brandon".

I've not attempted to justify anything in this thread, just pointing out that you people justify assassination while maintaining the enhanced interrogations which ultimately led to the assassination, are "not what we're about."

I don't know who "you people" are. Apparently you didn't read my post where I said I wished OBL had been taken alive.

It's a bizarre twist of morality, in my opinion. I have no problem with you being morally outraged over Iraq, or even waterboarding, but why are you inconsistent? Is it okay that we invaded a sovereign country and assassinated an unarmed man because OBAMA did it? What if a Republican president had done this, and let's say... it went wrong?

I can't answer for other people but I've been consistent. Can't say the same for conservatives. How many of you criticized the fact that Saddam had a trial, even though it was via a kangaroo court? I distinctly remember people saying if they had pulled Saddam out of the ground, he never would have lived to get a trial.

Another "Black Hawk Down" situation? What would Liberals be saying about that? Would you say, well... at least we tried... too bad we didn't get him? No, you would be ready to impeach! You'd be demanding to know how a president could do something like that! But because a DEMOCRAT president did it, and was successful, and got a great big needed bump..... you are perfectly giddy about it, and there is no inkling of moral indignity about it.

The Somalia business started under Bush41 and Clinton continued it. But if you think I was "giddy" about it, you're sadly mistaken.

 

[Canceled2]

I'm not a hypocrite; I just have standards.

I have made no pretense out of the fact that I am arguing based on moral authority alone. America shouldn't torture, or assassinate. I'm clear on that.

You & Dix think we should do both, or whatever else it takes. I'm sure the founding fathers would be proud.

Your moral authority is seriously lacking any kind of real morality-your hypocrisy demonstrates it.

We as a nation were represented in the law breaking of entering without permission a sovereign state and assassinating an unarmed; un-uninformed un-convicted terrorist....he is dead. We as a nation water-boarded 3 unarmed; un-uniformed; un-convicted terrorist's...they are alive.

 

[Onceler]

I don't think you understand what assassination is. You should read up on it first...

 

[Canceled2]

Where did you get the idea that a liberal wrote the article? Your groupie doesn't even cite the correct author, who is William A. Levinson, not some person named "Brandon".

Hey sniffie- get a clue. Levinson wrote the OP I posted- Brandon was another person I quoted and linked regarding international law...do try and keep up sniffie before you go and open your saggy old pie hole.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I'm not a hypocrite; I just have standards.

I have made no pretense out of the fact that I am arguing based on moral authority alone. America shouldn't torture, or assassinate. I'm clear on that.

You & Dix think we should do both, or whatever else it takes. I'm sure the founding fathers would be proud.

But we DID assassinate... by all accounts, we conducted a covert CIA operation inside a sovereign nation without their approval, permission or knowledge, without the approval, permission or knowledge of Congress or the UN, on the authority of the president.... shot and killed an unarmed man, and dumped his corpse in the ocean! I don't see your outrage over that at all, Onzies... I see you celebrating and gloating that BHO got OBL and not George Bush. I see you abandon your moral principles based solely on the fact the president has a "D" beside his name, and you support him politically. You're not condemning his actions, demanding Senate Hearings and investigations... you don't want to haul him to The Hague for a War Crimes tribunal.... nope, you are perfectly giddy, like a little schoolgirl, that your politician got a bump in the polls, and you think you are parading around on a moral patriotic high horse... America just sees you awkwardly trying to ride a jackass to victory in 2012.

 

[Canceled2]

I don't think you understand what assassination is. You should read up on it first...

LOL-yeah, that's it oncie, it's me not understanding what assassination means.

 

[christiefan915]

Hey trampie, get your own clue. Dixie referred to the author of the Original Post, not some obscure reference in the middle of the thread.

Try a little reading comprehension before flapping your nasty wrinkled lips, as usual.

 

[Canceled2]

Hey trampie, get your own clue. Dixie referred to the author of the Original Post, not some obscure reference in the middle of the thread.

Try a little reading comprehension before flapping your nasty wrinkled lips, as usual.

LOL right sniffie you compounded the problem of Dix's mistake because obviously you did not catch his mistake and instead thought you had something! Stupid bitch~

 

[christiefan915]

But we DID assassinate... by all accounts, we conducted a covert CIA operation inside a sovereign nation without their approval, permission or knowledge, without the approval, permission or knowledge of Congress or the UN, on the authority of the president.... shot and killed an unarmed man, and dumped his corpse in the ocean! I don't see your outrage over that at all, Onzies... I see you celebrating and gloating that BHO got OBL and not George Bush. I see you abandon your moral principles based solely on the fact the president has a "D" beside his name, and you support him politically. You're not condemning his actions, demanding Senate Hearings and investigations... you don't want to haul him to The Hague for a War Crimes tribunal.... nope, you are perfectly giddy, like a little schoolgirl, that your politician got a bump in the polls, and you think you are parading around on a moral patriotic high horse... America just sees you awkwardly trying to ride a jackass to victory in 2012.

Ha, as if covert operations were exclusive to Obama.

Seymour Hersh: Secret U.S. Forces Carried Out Assassinations in 'a Lot of' Countries, Including in Latin America
The investigative journalist for The New Yorker explains his recent bombshell revelation about Dick Cheney's "executive assassination" squads.
March 31, 2009


Amy Goodman: Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh created a stir last month when he said the Bush administration ran an executive assassination ring that reported directly to Vice President Dick Cheney. Hersh made the comment during a speech at the University of Minnesota on March 10th.

Seymour Hersh: Congress has no oversight of it. It's an executive assassination wing, essentially. And it's been going on and on and on. And just today in the Times there was a story saying that its leader, a three-star admiral named McRaven, ordered a stop to certain activities because there were so many collateral deaths. It's been going in -- under President Bush's authority, they've been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or to the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/1343...ot_of'_countries,_including_in_latin_america/

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Christsheisstupid: I don't know who "you people" are. Apparently you didn't read my post where I said I wished OBL had been taken alive.

Let's examine this layer of liberal stupidity, shall we?

Where are you going to try him? In America? What city? You couldn't have a trial for KSM, what makes you think OBL would have been doable? Where are you going to hold him until the trial? Gitmo? Levinworth? Cheney's underground secret cave? You think it's wise to bring OBL onto American soil? You think that would make us safer from terror attacks or more vulnerable as the trial date approaches?

And then, there would be the matter of the trial itself. Do you honestly think it is possible to seat a jury in America who would be fair and impartial to OBL? Where might we find 15 people to fairly serve as impartial jurors? Does he get to present a defense? If so, can't he challenge the prosecution to present their evidence? If he can do this, which is a mandate of any 'fair' trial in America, and his Constitutional right, then the prosecutor has to present the evidence.... which is highly classified and sensitive to national security... Houston, we have a problem! Without the testimony from a great many DEAD people, and without the physical evidence to tie him to the crime on 9/11, could you even expect to get a CONVICTION? ....See, this is what gets me about you libtards, you don't seem to think too deeply on this stuff, you just assume that OBL would be convicted and sentenced, and you could dust your hands and call it a day... and in reality, it might not turn out that way.

 

[christiefan915]

LOL right sniffie you compounded the problem of Dix's mistake because obviously you did not catch his mistake and instead thought you had something! Stupid bitch~

Yeah skank, everything you and Dixie wrote on this topic is not only a mistake but a disgrace to what this country is supposed to stand for.

But then again, you have no morals so why am I surprised?

Brainless slag~

 

[christiefan915]

Christsheisstupid: I don't know who "you people" are. Apparently you didn't read my post where I said I wished OBL had been taken alive.

Let's examine this layer of liberal stupidity, shall we?

Where are you going to try him? In America? What city? You couldn't have a trial for KSM, what makes you think OBL would have been doable? Where are you going to hold him until the trial? Gitmo? Levinworth? Cheney's underground secret cave? You think it's wise to bring OBL onto American soil? You think that would make us safer from terror attacks or more vulnerable as the trial date approaches?

And then, there would be the matter of the trial itself. Do you honestly think it is possible to seat a jury in America who would be fair and impartial to OBL? Where might we find 15 people to fairly serve as impartial jurors? Does he get to present a defense? If so, can't he challenge the prosecution to present their evidence? If he can do this, which is a mandate of any 'fair' trial in America, and his Constitutional right, then the prosecutor has to present the evidence.... which is highly classified and sensitive to national security... Houston, we have a problem! Without the testimony from a great many DEAD people, and without the physical evidence to tie him to the crime on 9/11, could you even expect to get a CONVICTION? ....See, this is what gets me about you libtards, you don't seem to think too deeply on this stuff, you just assume that OBL would be convicted and sentenced, and you could dust your hands and call it a day... and in reality, it might not turn out that way.

Damn, and you call us inconsistent.

First you railed at some amorphous group of liberals who supposedly applauded the assassination, then you railed at me because I suggested he should have been captured alive and had a trial.

So in your infinite wisdom, what do you think the prez should have done?

 

[Canceled2]

Yeah skank, everything you and Dixie wrote on this topic is not only a mistake but a disgrace to what this country is supposed to stand for.

But then again, you have no morals so why am I surprised?

Brainless slag~

LOL yeah sniffie your blundering stupidity got caught-now don't go getting too burnt over it~

My morals? Yeah and your behind the scenes sniffing is so moral. You are a flaming hypocrite-your ability to be intellectually honest is more then just wanting-my morals can stand against yours any day of the week you stupid bitch.

 

[christiefan915]

<yawn> Another day, another fishing expedition. :lol:

 

[Canceled2]

<yawn> Another day, another fishing expedition. :lol:

No need to fish when you have caught the limit sniffie~

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Damn, and you call us inconsistent.

First you railed at some amorphous group of liberals who supposedly applauded the assassination, then you railed at me because I suggested he should have been captured alive and had a trial.

So in your infinite wisdom, what do you think the prez should have done?

Oh, I have no problems with going into Pakistan and killing the son of a bitch, just like we did! But then, I didn't have a problem with invading Iraq and taking out that scumbag either, or holding terrorist thugs at Gitmo, or waterboarding terrorist thugs who had information which DID save American lives! I'm consistent all the way down the line, sister, it's you people who are all over the board, and with selective 'morality' which is determined solely by political affiliations.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Oh, I have no problems with going into Pakistan and killing the son of a bitch, just like we did! But then, I didn't have a problem with invading Iraq and taking out that scumbag either, or holding terrorist thugs at Gitmo, or waterboarding terrorist thugs who had information which DID save American lives! I'm consistent all the way down the line, sister, it's you people who are all over the board, and with selective 'morality' which is determined solely by political affiliations.

So you're cool with holding people at Gitmo who aren't terrorists and waterboarding them too then huh?

 

[Lowaicue]

Oh, I have no problems with going into Pakistan and killing the son of a bitch, just like we did! But then, I didn't have a problem with invading Iraq and taking out that scumbag either, or holding terrorist thugs at Gitmo, or waterboarding terrorist thugs who had information which DID save American lives! I'm consistent all the way down the line, sister, it's you people who are all over the board, and with selective 'morality' which is determined solely by political affiliations.

Just one little questionette, my dear Trixie. Who the hell do you think you are?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Yeah skank, everything you and Dixie wrote on this topic is not only a mistake but a disgrace to what this country is supposed to stand for.

But then again, you have no morals so why am I surprised?

Brainless slag~

According to you liberals, we "stand for" sending in covert CIA hit squads and taking care of business the old fashioned way, with a bullet to the head! That's what we did, that's what you are all celebrating and cheering Obama for, right? So apparently, those are the principles we stand for now, correct?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

So you're cool with holding people at Gitmo who aren't terrorists and waterboarding them too then huh?

I don't know that anyone is being held at Gitmo who wasn't captured on a foreign field of battle in the war on terror... and I only know of THREE who were ever waterboarded, all of whom were top-level alQaeda operatives, who had vital information about pending terror attacks in the US and UK. The only place it was ever any different, was inside the vapid and vacant minds of liberal shitstains like yourself.