one step closer to unlicensed concealed carry

evince said:
He would have fit right into the tea party.
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not quite, but he also isn't the topic of this discussion.

evince said:
I am reading the founders words you ass.

They wanted a WELL REGULATED militia.

Cant you read?
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can't you?

i've told you what 'well regulated' meant to the founders when they wrote the constitution. why are you trying to redefine words?

show me ONE, JUST ONE, piece of founding documents that indicate 'well regulated militia' meant a government military force.
 
Where in the fuck do you think you have the authority to determine for all Americans what THE FOUNDERS MEANT?
 
Superfreak said:
you stated...



So tell us... why would you bring up such nonsense if you weren't afraid of it happening?
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Where there did I say I feared anything?

I asked a question of someone who has railed about black people in the past and knew full well they would see the word rapper in a racist light.

Now why did you lie about what I said?
 
evince said:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/militia
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Black's Law Dictionary, 3rd Edition
Militia: The body of citizens in a state, enrolled for discipline as a military force, but not engaged in actual service except in emergencies, as distinguished from regular troops or a standing army.

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§ 311. Militia: composition and classes
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(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
 
evince said:
Where in the fuck do you think you have the authority to determine for all Americans what THE FOUNDERS MEANT?
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does anyone else see the irony of this post....while she says this, she turns around and tells us what the founders meant

unfortunately for her, scotus does not agree with her...she is entitled to her opinion, but her opionions aare not facts
 
SmarterThanYou said:
Black's Law Dictionary, 3rd Edition
Militia: The body of citizens in a state, enrolled for discipline as a military force, but not engaged in actual service except in emergencies, as distinguished from regular troops or a standing army.

TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 311
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§ 311. Militia: composition and classes
How Current is This?
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
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But they put in the caveot of a WELL REGULATED MILITIA huh butthead.
 
evince said:
YOU are not the final arbitor of the constitutions meaning.

You are merely a political hack
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once again, you got slammed. you tell me I'M not the final arbitor, yet you presume to do just that yourself.

'well regulated' meant 'efficiently functioning' to the founders.

again, READ THE DOCUMENTS!!!!!!!


or is that too much for you to do?
 
evince said:
But they put in the caveot of a WELL REGULATED MILITIA huh butthead.
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A people armed and free forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition and is a bulwark for the nation against foreign invasion and domestic oppression.
james madison


see, Mr. Madison WROTE the constitution. so obviously he meant that all americans should be armed if they wish to remain free.
 
That the people have a Right to mass and to bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the Body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper natural and safe defense of a free State...
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Who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers.
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George Mason, one of the ratifiers of the constitution and participant in the constitutional debates.
 
evince said:
Hey asshole , he did not put that line into the constitution did he?
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are you now trying to say that the founders, including the author, mr. madison, lied to the constituents of the thirteen colonies by telling them that the right to bear arms belonged to all of the people, then turned around and put something different in the constitution? :palm:
 
No you idiot.

They had their own opinions about things but came to a consesus on what the documents would say.

We are designed on those documents NOT their radom opinions.
 
evince said:
No you idiot.

They had their own opinions about things but came to a consesus on what the documents would say.

We are designed on those documents NOT their radom opinions.
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do you now need a lesson on the history and timeline of how those documents were ratified? because i'd dearly love to thoroughly embarrass you with it.
 
Listen, the documents do not say what you have convinced yourself they say.

Its not my fault you completely ignore the part where they say WELL REGULATED .,
 
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